Monday, May 02, 2005

Faithful or Not, Here We Come. Together.

These words are intended for all in the Democratic Party, with or without faith:

I am an evangelical Christian, and I am a Democrat.

Some in the Democratic Party are not Christians. I can accept that. A person can be of high morals, treat those they come in contact with consideration for them as individuals, with caring for their situation, with honesty and a sincere desire to help, and be without any faith. People can be of faith other than Christianity and be great people, too. I know many such people and I enjoy their company. Whether agnostic (not sure), atheist (thoroughly-considered non-believer) or of other faith, these people may vote the Democratic line for many reasons but it usually comes back to the fairness for all that the Democratic Party espouses as the reason we vote blue.

I believe in Jesus as my personal Savior, and while I probably won’t do it the first time we meet, I believe that I should share that news with you. I also believe that you have the option to say a variety of things when I do so. You can say, “No, thank you, I’ve considered that information and choose to think otherwise.” You can say, “I’m uncertain, but am not comfortable talking about religion because (fill in the blank).” Or you can say, “Let’s talk about faith, please.” These are all appropriate responses as are others that show your consideration and kindness.

But please don’t say, “Christians are all stupid Republicans ... or hypocrites ... or selfish ... or war-mongers ... or corporate scribes” because that is simply wrong. I have come across many non-Christians here in California that are amazed when I tell them of my faith and my political left-ness. They have seen too much of Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell, heard too many times our President invoke faith and tell a lie in the next sentence, known too many folks that speak of going to church on Sunday and then sin openly on a regular basis. Many Christians are very upset with the public persona of Christianity in America that can be attributed to the Religious Right. My aim with this blog is to alter that perception.

I apologize for some of my large and diverse Christian family whom, I think, simply get it wrong in the doing. They may be Christians, but I think they miss the broad points oft spoken by Jesus; of helping the poor, making peace, protecting God’s creation and of accepting any who come to the table. I will also openly say here that I am not a perfect Christian either; there is no such person alive on this planet unless Jesus Christ Himself has already returned. For those of you that don’t follow Christian theology, the concept of Christians not being perfect, but forgiven, sums it up pretty well. To take it one step further, Christians are supposed to try to be perfect in God’s eye and know it is not possible, but that is a paper for another day.

I urge all Democrats, whether secular, Christian or Jew, Muslim or Hindu, Buddhist, spiritualist or otherwise, to accept each other as worthy companions on the march towards a common goal. Let’s measure each other by our actions.

I ask secularists to honor our faith, whatever it may be, as part of our person. Similarly, I urge those of divergent faith (and this means Christians, too) to accept each other and those without faith with love and compassion, accepting those that think of God differently, or not at all, as still being God’s children. We are all God’s children and yes, sorry to some of you who don’t believe in any deity, I do believe you are God’s children too, but I promise not to berate you with that thinking any more than I have here.

For those of faith, I ask that you offer your faith to others if you are so inclined, but warn that you will need to accept that some will not be open to the concept and, in fact, you may be trampling on their faith in so doing. To be atheist is to state openly against faith and is, in a sense, a statement of personal faith in the moment. People of other faiths may or may not share the God of Abraham, but with or without a common God they will have major differences in theology. If a person rejects your offer of faithful explanation, accept it and move on towards common goals. If you are Christian, read the parable of the Four Soils and know that you may be softening hardened ground, but honor the person your are speaking with and give them their personal theological space. I don’t know enough about religions other than Christianity to speak of those perceptions, but do see “love of all” as strong common ground on which to build.

Again to those without faith - those of us that have faith like to pray, some more than others. Opening and closing any gathering of people in prayer we see as a call to our God to help us achieve our objectives, and we truly believe He hears us and helps us. If you don’t believe, what can it hurt? More importantly, you can listen to our prayer and hear our hearts. Respect us, please.

I urge us all to be the example of good Democrats united together towards common goals. Let’s accept each other for the good works we can do together and with the differences we can overcome politely. Let’s move America and this world forward towards a better future together.

I invite all to post comments and create a discussion here. I especially pray that some non-Christians will post positive comments about the common ground we share such that I can learn more and we can build an understanding together. We have much work to do. Let’s get to it.

117 Comments:

Blogger JP Manzi said...

I do not have a lot to offer to the table however the more I look into it and see the perfect moral example we call "The Christ" I see the Democratic Party ahead in advancing Gods Kingdom here on earth. It appears to be the party of you you you vice the me me me you see from the other camp. More thoughts to ponder, hopefully I can offer more on a later date.

5/03/2005 8:25 AM  
Blogger Christian Democrat said...

Thanks for the comment JP. I want to think you meant "you you you VERSUS" rather than "you you you VICE" but can take it either way.

On the one hand, you are right in that the Dems are the party of you, rather than the party of me. We tend to be looking out for the other guy, the least of us, much better than does the GOP in spite of their rhetoric. The GOP talks a good line, but look at their actions and judge them there.

If you did mean "vice" rather than "versus," well, I wouldn't go so far as to say that the Dems are the party of vice although they do stand for greater personal freedoms than the GOP.

God gave us free will so that we would have the choice of doing good or bad, right or wrong, and showing our desire to please Him, or not, in our choices. He really wants us to get it right, but doesn't want to make it easy for us.

But no, the Dems aren't the party of vice, they are the party for the people, all the people.

5/03/2005 4:01 PM  
Blogger JP Manzi said...

Sorry, I should have chosen a better word. How about, "The Democratic Party appears to be more concerned about others (you you you) RATHER THAN the me me me rhetoric from the other camp". The Dems social agendas, too me, are more inline with the Sermon on the Mount.

Not sure if I mentioned it, I added you to my blog links, if thats alright. I find myslef visiting here daily.....no pressure for you to write everyday :-)

5/03/2005 8:31 PM  
Blogger CarmLeeG said...

I thank God I found fellow Christian Democrats. I was beginning to think Christian Democrat was an empty title for European Catholics.
I was a Republican, sure that God wanted people to first use personal inspiration, scripture, reason, witness and experience to solve problems. Only after that should one attempt to get government coearsion to affect common good. Government was a source of confusion rather than salvation from social ills.
I was an avid politico, not from faith, but just because of my background. Although Republicans, we were included in Truman's "whistle stop" tour of rural Michigan. Family friends, Senator Vandenburg, was acting Vice President. Our congressman was Gerald R. Ford. I volunteered in Ford's Washington office 1958- 60. I was confused in 1960, when the Catholic son of a Mafia affiliate seemed to do everything right. Then came Nixon. Republican honesty and righteousness was replaced by hypocracy and expediency. Nixon often attended three diffrent church services on a Sunday. His public personna was a radical departure from his personal behavior. I was personally embarrassed by his language.
I left Washington, moved to California, became a Democrat, and thought Jimmy Carter would be our political savior. I was saddened that he could not break through the bureaucratic barrier and was ineffective in Washington. I began to think that there cannot be righteousness in politics.
Now I believe that people of faith must accept whatever call is theirs. I believe we must first attack the voting manipulation. If votes are mis-counted, no other goal can be achieved. Stop the war in Iraq, up comes Iran. Stop the 7 judges, worse will be appointed. Stop Senate debate, parliamentary tricks will be used by Republicans.
I hope my motto gets posted: Nobody can do Everything, Everybody can do something.

5/10/2005 11:35 AM  
Blogger Christian Democrat said...

Thanks for your post, carmleeg. I like your motto, and it takes an emphasis on each word: EVERYONE CAN DO SOMETHING!

Help me, please, do what I am doing. Spread the word about the site and the thinking. In the 2004 election I am told that about 2/3 of Christians bought the GOP rhetoric while about 1/3 understood the alignment of Democrat ideals with their Christian faith. It is time for all of us to Take Back Our Faith.

Not that they can't have their understanding of Christianity - there are many different denominations for reasons of theological subtlety, but too many people hear the word "Christian" and think of Neo-cons, stuffed shirts, and elitest proclamations. We must alter that perception.

Spread the word. Spread The Word.

5/10/2005 11:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank-you for starting this initiative. I think it's very important not to let the Radical Right seize for themselves the title of "Christian," or, even worse, identify themselves alone as the people who have "values" or "morals."

I am quite active in Democratic party politics, and a big believer in democratic governance and social/economic justice, and a respect for all persons as a fundamental moral necessity. I'm also not a person "of faith." I would describe myself as a "naturalistic humanist"--a position which excludes theism, and therefore is "atheistic," but which goes beyond the merely negative renunciation of supernatural explanations into the positive search for meaning, values, morals, goodness, etc., in the natural world.

Like you, if the conversation had led to the deeper questions, and if the mutual respect were there, I would probably try to convince a religious person that he or she hadn't yet gotten it right.

I would, though, (and maybe you would too?) hope for a public arena in which we could just get down to the immediately pressing issues--to trying to solve the obvious problems of social inequity and manipulative governance, and let discussion of the deeper beliefs that guide us wait for a more personal conversation. This, in my view, is the meaning of the "separation of church and state" idea. We can and should seek agreement on public policy matters, even without having agreement on philosophical/religious matters.

5/13/2005 1:17 PM  
Blogger Christian Democrat said...

Anonymous - Great to have someone non-theistic on the blog. Consider this the arena and these the ground rules. We can all get along and great things can be done together. Post as you like, please. And spread the word.

5/13/2005 5:35 PM  
Anonymous Ken Chepenik said...

The "Christian Democrat" does our country a service in making clear the Republican Party is not at liberty to distort, and thereby demean, the teachings of Christ or the principles of Christianity to achieve political power. The blending of religion and politics by the Republican Party is, to my mind, no different than that which takes place in theocracies such as Iran or Saudi Arabia. The message of the "Christian Democrat", like that of the Democratic Party itself, is to promote a government for all the people rather than a government for just for a small group of (wealthy) idealogues.

5/17/2005 10:27 PM  
Blogger Matt said...

Wow, this is great!! I'm glad to see someone taking action to change this perception that "good" Christians all vote Republican. It infuriates me that "moral" issues have been reduced to one's stance on abortion and gay marriage....While these are important issues for Christians and non Christians alike they are NOT the ONLY "moral" issues!!!
War(without justification),honesty from elected officials,ones right to earn a decent standard of living and retire in dignity,one's ability to have decent health care, and many other issues are also "moral" issues and truly American issues, in my opinion. I am a Luthern , and certainly fall short of God's expectations every day....but I try, I believe the Bible teaches us to Love ALL people not just those that share our views. This country may have been founded by Christians but those who wrote our Constitution had the true intention that this county should provide the freedom to exercise your OWN beliefs.....free from persecution....thats what made this country the greatest country in the world!!
The radical right is dangerous....and they are weakening this country considerably.If you dont agree with their political agenda then you are un American...or worse yet not a good Christian. Well, on top of all that I am a union member,Im actually on staff full time with the IBEW as an organizer. I get painted as the "bad guy" all the time by these "good Christian" corporate cronies who support the radical right, but the truth is Im out there every day fighting for the rights of working families, and proud of what I do , I do it with honor and integrity. These same "good Christians" on the right dont believe as Americans labor should have a voice,or that any program that helps the average working person and those less fortunate(i.e. Soc Sec., Medicare,welfare etc.)should exist if it negatively affects their "bottom line"!! A healthy corporate America is important, but the current administration and the Republican party will sacrifice ALL of our rights if it increases this year's profit margin!! And good people get lulled into trusting them because they see a clip of Bush leaving church on Sunday. I dont buy it!! Judge one by his actions!! Sorry I got sidetracked on so many issues,these are dangerous times and its about time that "Christian Democrats" are heard!!!

5/18/2005 6:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with your program and observations. It is difficult to believe people voted for Bush on a moral basis; the only family I know of who did business with the Bin Laden and Hinkley families. Let alone lie to America and put troops in harm's way just to promote Haliburton/contracts/kickbacks. Good luck in your endeavor.

5/19/2005 4:55 AM  
Anonymous Lucinda said...

Since last summer I have felt that my faith was "hijacked" by the religious right. What ever happened to the contents of the Sermon on the Mount and the "what would Jesus do?" thoughts we had not too long ago? Certainly not reflected in any policies pushed by this regmine.

I live in a conservative predominately Catholic part of the world and heard amazing things from callers when calling for Kerry last November. We (the callers) were called baby killers, terrorists, Bible haters and worse. People were told in their churches that voting for anyone but Bush would put their salvation in question. Can you imagine? Some of us got spit at on Election Day by pro-lifers. The tension is still there.

I am very angry with this administration for using faith to win elections. I have a bumper sticker on my car that says it all "Liberal Christianity: more fruit, less nuts"

5/19/2005 12:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

your observations are right on target. our new county chair is a
presbyterian minister who sees his faith as being consistent with many of
our (democrats) ideals.

5/19/2005 4:29 PM  
Anonymous Charlie Naef said...

In most European countries, Christian Democrats are considered the more conservative major party, but on social and economic issues they are at least as progressive as American Democrats. This goes to show how far to the Radical Right our country has slipped since the 1980s, mainly due to our compacency and lack of vigilance. No wonder our Right Radical Republicans speak with contempt of the Old Europe -- the progressive citadel of the Western world.

5/19/2005 4:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I won't be joining you in church, but having been raised a Methodist I am disgusted with the Republican manipulation of people's good intentions and I think it's about time somebody (you!) pointed out that these "Godly" people are the worst warmongers, profiteers, and bigots the world has ever seen. I think the time is ripe for your message to be heard. Do Tom Delay and John Bolton fit the role model that Jesus gave us? Hardly. Thank you for your inspired activism.

5/19/2005 4:35 PM  
Anonymous Terri Jones said...

My name is Terri Jones and I am the Democratic Chair for the town of
Whitefield, NH.

I am an agnostic/atheist with liberal Christian friends who along with me
are appalled at what the Far Right has done to your religion. Religious Freedom is just as important to us non-believers as it is to you. I would fight every inch of the way for you to go into your church if it was forbidden to you--which is what the Far Right intends to do to everyone who is not with their agenda.

I do think that the person that everyone calls Jesus did exist, but he was
not what the mainline religions have made of him. He would be sickened by
what is and has been done in his name. AND! he would certainly not vote for
George W. Bush!

We are glad to have you with us...

5/19/2005 4:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, I am a Jew and an atheist, so you can remove me from your list. I
applaud your effort, so long as you do not cross the line to trying to
impose Christianity on non-Christians - e.g. by public prayer, or all the
practices of the current-day Pharisees to make a public display of religion.

5/19/2005 4:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let me tell you a bit about my background -- to help you understand me or people like me. First I was born into a deeply religious clan; one of our great grand-fathers had been a minister in a little country church where he thundered against Slavery. Twere Baptist (Northern) but very unlike Southern Baptist. More Congregational in spirit.
However, my particular mother did not take us to church for my whole childhood because she had left it temporarily due to a divorce. From age 13 until early 20s I was a believing Christian, indeed born again, i.e., baptized around 14 or 15. During one Easter Sunday service as we stood to sing a hymn my feet came off the ground (I felt) and I nearly levitated. My belief was total and nearly saintly. Then I went to war against Hitler and the Japanese. Then I went to college on the GI bill of rights. Then I got troubles in my life and I prayed frequently to the supreme being. Then I decided that I was talking to my self = no one was listening. Then I was finished with God and with Christianity. I went into science (anthropology) and worked out a new philosophy of life for myself and family I have lived in the 'field' with peoples of very different cultures, some very religious, some not very, but all with quite different belief systems. Even the local Christians differed markedly from American Christians of whatever type. And so forth. (I gotta quit this.)
Anyway, put me down as a Democrat but definitely not as a Christian.

5/19/2005 4:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I totally agree Mr. Hall. I wish you every success on your site. May
I suggest, since abortion is the sensitive subject that the Republicans
have used and misused against us that you have a link on your site to
Democrats for Life and/or at least some mention of them and their "95/10
Initiative." Also, making the connection between Christian values and the Social Security issue would also be timely. Imagine, dismantling a well managed fiscally responsible program that 2/3 of retirees depend on for over half of their income and 37% of recipients are widowed spouses, children or disabled. "By their works you will know them."

Your sister in Christ,
Eva Ritchey
Hendersonville, N.C.

5/19/2005 5:27 PM  
Anonymous Bonnie Bechard said...

I've passed on your wonderful message and website to all the members of the Chatham County Democratic Women (85 members & growing). We are Jewish, Catholic, Atheist, Agnostic, Evangelical Christians and who knows what else. When I hear Republicans claim the moral high road all I can say is "what planet are you on?"

5/21/2005 6:53 PM  
Anonymous Denis Logan said...

This is a good site, but we have to get our message out where it will be read. I’m am a Democrat/Christian. I believe Christ is really upset at those that twist his teachings to further their goals. Christ’s teachings are sacred and should only be taught in his house of Worship. He is upset that there are those that would plaster his words and commandants across the court house and other public places. They are sacred and should not be made sectarian. If you want to be Christian, go to his house and Worship. If you don’t then, that is your choice. You are still Gods child, my brother or sister, and I love you as he does.
I wish those that follow our present leaders because they think they are Christians would read about Satan. Satan will come to us and pretend to be our savior. He will lie and manipulate us to fool us into following him. Bush is ether Satan or is following Satan. He has been able to fool millions. It is my duty as a Christian to reveal him for what he is. The republicans that I hear speaking seem to be of the lowest moral character, they are downright evil.
Denis C. Logan
Palm Coast, Florida

5/22/2005 12:25 PM  
Anonymous Ray Nelson said...

One our Democrats in Jefferson County (Texas) told me about this site. I may be the last person in America not to know what blogging is. I don't know the protocols, but I do need the fellowship and counsel of Christians and for that matter, people of principle who do not share my religious views. I was a straight ticket Republican until the eighties.The party lost its moral moorings and became the instrument of the "me" generation. Well, thanks for being here. Pray for me, pray for each other, pray for the Democratic Party, pray for our country. Ray Nelson, Beaumont TX

5/23/2005 2:06 AM  
Anonymous Don Low said...

I was excited and pleased to receive an email invitation to check out this blog, as you can see from the reply I sent to Rich, which I've copied and included here.

"Praise the Lord! I'm so very glad to hear from you. I will certainly
visit your site, excuse me, blog, as soon as I can make time.
Meantime, I wanted to let you know I echo every word you've said here.
I personally have some VERY strong feelings and beliefs about this
issue, not the least of which is my concern that the World Church has
already been born, is alive and well, and growing bigger, stronger and
more closely associated every day with the World Government. The
Biblical description "..having a form of Godliness and denying the
power thereof..." is beginning to make more sense to me than ever
before. I am trying to warn folks in time for them to avoid being
sucked in by the satanic lies of the "Christian Right", and to warn
them is such a way as not to drive them away in the process.

Thanks for the invititation, Rich, and for the encouragement. I'll be
in touch.

Don Low
Another Christian Democrat"

Today, after reading the posts here, I'm more encouraged than I've been in years. I can actually identify with virtually everything I hear all of you saying. I am a country boy, reared in the hill country of central Texas during the drought of the fifties. I had nominal exposure to the Methodist Church, and was taught in school that Labor Unions were Evil. When I eventually made my way to the Port of Orange, in Orange, Texas, and went to work as an extra with the Longshoremen there, I learned almost immediately and very forcefully that labor unions are an absolute necessity to protect the health and safety of those of us that must do manual labor for a living. My first Union Membership was in the Pile Drivers Local in Beaumont, Texas, where my education continued.
Nearly half a century later, I have gone through (I hope grown through) many stages, and now find myself in a position I confess I thought was unique. I am a Christian. I believe in God as a real person, infinitely intelligent and powerful, described best by His Son when He said, "God is love.". I believe in Jesus as the only begotten Son of God, a man who really lived and loved, showing us the perfect way to do both, and then He sacrificed Himself willingly to pay the price required by a totally just system for my sins, giving me the opportunity to start new and fresh. I believe in the Holy Spirit that comes to give us the power to live the Christian Life. I believe in your right to believe differently.
Next, I am Union plum down to the marrow of my bones. I believe Labor Unions are still indespensible in our society, and my right to belong to one, to try to organize others into one, and to work to further the Labor Movement agenda are just as important as my right to believe in God, or not to believe in God, as I choose.
Next, I'm a Democrat. I defiy anyone to study the history of the political parties in America, compare there records objectively, and not to admit that only in Democratic Administrations does our economy progress. I have many family members and good friends within and without the Church, that support and apparently believe in the Republican agenda. I love them. I hate their politics, much in the same way I love the people I consider to be sinners while I hate their sin. I'm presently the Democratic County Chair in Newton, Texas, though I confess that I've not done a very good job in that capacity so far, due primarily to the fact that I have too many other responsibilites and demands on my time, and too little help and support from others.
As you can see, brevity in not one of my strong points. Please forgive me.
I appreciate so very much what all of you have shared on this blog, and look forward to sharing more, and to working with you all to do what we can to accomplish our common goal. For now, just knowing that there are people like you out there is a real comfort and inspiration for me.

5/27/2005 9:02 AM  
Blogger JEP said...

As Christians seeking understanding, simple Truth has always been our most powerful tool. Search the blogs, the papers, watch the news, and use your gift of discernment, the Spirit of Truth consistently proves that the Republican spin machine depends on lies and twisted language to promote its evil agenda.

Do you think the word evil too graphic for some of our fellow Christians to hear?

Aren't war and torture in that category?

We must stop weighing our words so as not to offend our fellow Christians who want to continue supporting the Bush machine's twisted plans.

These "moral issuse" like gay marriage and abortion we see being bickered over and bantered about each day are just a smoke screen for a "Pelican Brief" policy that will install high-level judges, whose only real agenda is to protect corporations from future liability.

Everything else is just part and parcel of the subtle lie, the one that justifies war and greed in the name of Democracy.

If you want to really understand our current administration's true spiritual power, seek an answer to this question.

Why are so many non-Christian "cults" riding on the Faith-Based Counseling gravy-train?

If you really want to understand the pernicious influences surrounding and permeating our current administration, seek out this list of "faith-based" beneficiaries, and study up on it's members. This time, especially for members of the Cult of Bush who imagine themselves as righteous Christians, the truth isn't pretty.

Their very salvation is at stake.

For starters, read Matthew 24-24, then do a google search for recent news stories about Sun Myung Moon, the founder of the Moonies, and a little ceremony he concocted in one of our federal buildings...

And let the Spirit of Truth guide you to your conclusions.

5/29/2005 7:27 AM  
Blogger Christian Democrat said...

JEP - Thank you. Please, if you have done so already, feel free to post a list of the cults you mention. More ammunition is needed and yes, a less PC voice is welcomed.

My understanding, and I should ALWAYS say it is simply my understanding rather than assume it has been read elsewhere here, is that even the lousiest person on the far right can be forgiven simply through faith in Jesus. It's a mystery to me how that can be, as I also believe that through faith we are drawn by the Holy Spirit to be better people; through faith we are drawn to read His words and attempt to act accordingly.

Is it my place to question their faith? Their commitment to His Word and instructions? I really don't know. But I do know that I can fight them in the secular sense by reaching those of faith who have had the wool pulled over their eyes by the incredibly brilliant manueverings of their spin machine, by actively reaching out to Christians and non-Christians alike that share a desire for a truly better America for all, for a safer world for all, for peace and understanding rather than war and divisiveness.

Speak faith openly in all situations. Stand proudly and say, "I am Christian, I am evangelical and I am Democrat." Or use your own words as you choose, but make the statement and make it often.

Peace all, we have a voice, let it be heard.

5/29/2005 10:10 AM  
Blogger jep said...

Scientology, via narcanon and crimanon, and the Hare Krishnas, both are on that list, very early on that list, along with the moonies. But I'll let others do their own searches from here on out about this subject, we need for everyone who wants to know the truth to start looking into this personally.
And remember, consider the true motives of these neocons, you can't get fresh and salt water from the same source. We have to stop acquiescing to warmongers, in any fashion. By their works we shall know them. If someone openly supports war and torture, which pool are they drinking from? And how will the sheep and the goats be divided?

Consider carefully Revelations 11 v. 17-18, particularly the final few words. It certainly encourages me, as an environmentalist, but should be a warning to some of our negligent leaders, and a clear deliniation as to who are the good guys and who are the bad guys...

JEP

5/29/2005 1:02 PM  
Blogger sue piazza said...

I am very happy that I have found your site. My husband and I have been very discouraged about the hijacking of Christianity by the Rupublican Party. We feel that we have no place in many of the churches in our area. We are in a very red state. North Carolina. My husband is expecially upset about organized religions being large money making operations instead of following the teachings of Christ.

6/05/2005 10:00 PM  
Blogger calliope811 said...

So glad to see this discussion taking place. I am a Buddhist (!), but for many years sought refuge in faith in Jesus. I know what it means to carry him in your heart as your personal savior. And I am living testimony that faith sometimes evolves, as people do also. Faith is such an incredible mystery, and I applaud everyone who can celebrate this fact. As for politics, yes, I am a Democrat, and I feel so very comfortable saying that--it is the only party where I find acceptance (as well as public policy I can agree with!) A hearty cyber-hug to those who allow me and others to enjoy these very human gifts of faith and diversity. Keep up the good work!

6/06/2005 12:33 PM  
Anonymous Motherlode said...

Every day I drive through downtown Dallas on my way to work in Uptown, and along the way I pass First Baptist Church of Dallas. This morning I drove behind a minivan with a First Baptist Academy decal in the back window and a bumper sticker I never thought I'd see turning into FBA -- it read "Christian Democrat" and in small letters underneath, "Let there be light!"

Awesome. It made me wonder if there was a place on the Net where I could get my own. I Googled and found you. Keep up the good work. Also, here's a site I think you might really like: Mainstream Baptist.

6/13/2005 2:35 PM  
Blogger An Agnostic American said...

Thanks for your efforts.

While not Christian myself I am glad that there are Christians out there who wish to stand up to the religious right.

Right now I am very frightened for the future of this country. I feel like giving up.

It seem as though the RR will soon have the judiciary and that is terrifying.

Please keep up the good work.

7/22/2005 10:50 AM  
Anonymous Poet_Istari17 said...

I'm am very glad to see a site like this up and running. ChristianDemocrat is absolutely right. We must spread the message of love and acceptance into a world that has been given the wrong image of Christianity.

Thank you brother

7/23/2005 10:44 PM  
Blogger Christian Democrat said...

Thanks Istari17 -

And we need to get out the vote among those that aren't voting and show those that do vote the other side the reasons to vote the Democratic Party line.

7/24/2005 12:24 PM  
Anonymous Mike said...

It would be interesting to see a 'side by side' comparison of each point upon which the GOP and Dem parties (according to y'all on this blog) disagree. Social issues, that is, not spiritual. While I would certainly expect some disagreement on any given issue, if the writers here support the Democratic Party as much as it seems, the majority opinion should be obvious. Here are a few contentious issues to get you started:

- Right to choose an abortion
- Where the burden for helping the poor is borne (public vs. private).
- Same sex marriage/relationship tax and other benefits
- Conflict resolution vs. intervention (talk vs. war?)

Each of these can be discussed in just the secular, social context, or can have a parallel spiritual component to any replies. The NKJ Bible I have deals with each very specifically for the latter conversation. Cheers.

8/01/2005 8:12 AM  
Blogger Christian Democrat said...

Mike -
There is already a paper on abortion, and another on same sex marriage (with extensive conversational comments). Those two hot button topics had to be addressed early on as part of the site. Click the link to the blog index in the right banner to get there.

The "talk vs war" topic is just started as a new, if brief, post.

As for the burden of helping the poor - that may be a good paper. I'll start thinking about it. Care to share what verses you consider important?

With Thanks.

8/01/2005 8:39 AM  
Blogger TammyJo58 said...

Hi!

I am another Christian Democrat! I appreciate your efforts on this blog. It has been great to see that there are other Christians out there that have not fallen into lockstep with so many others. I attend a Southern Baptist Church in my small community, and it has been difficult to find common ground among fellow members. That doesn't matter though. God has helped me eccept that I have an obligation to express my opinions on subjects to my fellow churchmembers, even if I know they will not agree. Someone has to be the voice back to reason. Thanks for your blog. I hope many see and respond.

God Bless,
TammyJo58

10/15/2005 9:02 PM  
Blogger cap said...

As we gear up for 2006 elections I'd like to make an appeal to Christian democrats to reconsider their association with the democratic party of today. This modern democratic party is not the party many of our parents and grandparents voted a straight ticket for. I could never imagine my grandparents advocating the elimination of prayer in public schools or demanding that references to GOD be removed from public institutions. I can't imagine my grandparents denigrating our leadership or our troops during wartime. They would not do or advocate many of the policies the democrats of today are putting out. So, I'd like to speak to you here and now and ask you to consider my worldview and see if maybe you and I have more in common than you do with the democrats.

I want a government and a culture that is friendly to Christianity, not hostile to it. I want a culture that embraces Christian values and traditional American patriotism and I am going to work to affect that in my culture. I perceive the left to be hostile to both. As a supporter of conservative Christian values and an American who believes we as Christian Americans have made unique and significant contributions to our world, I will continue to advance the causes of my fore fathers. We have always fought evil, advanced justice, equality, and God given moral direction to our nation and the world. I will not stand idly by and watch the left dismantle and distort the legacy of our good work. The left has stolen and now has possession of our public education system. They use it to advance their worldview of a secular humanist society and to limit awareness of the historical influence Christianity has had on our nation. In their system God is not welcome.
I want to re-institute a 'God is welcome' mentality in my public schools, the schools my Christian American patriot fore fathers built. If the left wants their religion of humanism or atheism to be dominant in schools then they are free to build their own, but they can't have mine. I want prayer back in my schools. I want teachers who are Christians and want to have bibles on their desks to be free to do so. I want them free to discuss their faith and morals with our children. I want them to be free to pray whenever or wherever they choose. I want our history of Christian influence accurately taught in American history classes.
The NEA, a union that is hostile to God, owns the democrats. As Christians who love America we must vote for and contribute to Christian Republicans. There is no other practical option at this time.

10/17/2005 10:12 AM  
Blogger Josh Hickman said...

Cap,
Sure there is another practical option at this time, vote for Open Minded Christian Democrats. There's plenty of us.
Thank You, and God Bless,
-Josh
www.jwhickman.com

10/18/2005 10:40 AM  
Blogger Christian Democrat said...

Cap -

I'll agree with Josh as you might expect. Is the Democratic Party perfect? By no means. The Democrats are much more inclusive and, as such, get people that don't always agree.

What's better? A party that looks to the fax machines and emails every day to read what they are to say, working in lockstep towards a government by the representatives for business and the institution of their perception of God's law as applied to all Americans? If Adam was sinless (and he was) and Eden was the perfect place (and it was) how can we expect any person to live a perfect life? If one commit's murder, asks for and receives the forgiveness of the Lord's supper, are they no longer guilty? Shall we go back to stoning homosexuals? and adulterers?

But the more important point is that the Democrats are the party that looks after the least of us. Aside from being more fiscally responsible that is the deciding factor to me.

Peace Cap, peace.

10/25/2005 8:16 PM  
Anonymous Texas Mike said...

Hello CD,

Nice work you have going on here. I just wanted to volunteer that there are others of us out here, and we are getting organized. In Dallas we have started the "Christian Democratic Network of Greater Dallas". We have monthly meetings with around 40 voting members, and about 150 on our e-mail list. We're working on position papers with a focus next year on outreach within the Democratic Party. Check out our web site at www.christiandemsdallas.org.

We're interested in helping similar groups get started in other parts of the country.

11/07/2005 4:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a born again Christian. But I have been struggling with the fact that I am and will always be a Democrat. I was led to believe that what I believed in with all my heart was not what a good christian stood for. Last night in my group at church I met a fellow "closet democrat". And I felt compelled to search for others. Your site is one of some that I found. I am looking forward to finding more. But I am still looking for answers to some mjor questions. How do you feel about abortion? I am so conflicted with my beliefs and my religion that I need some opinions.

11/10/2005 6:34 AM  
Anonymous Tim Sweatman said...

I stumbled onto this site accidentally. Let me begin with some background about myself. I am a Southern Baptist pastor in Bowling Green, Kentucky. I am on the very conservative (but not quite fundamentalist) end of the theological spectrum. I have been a Democrat my entire life, but more and more I see the Democratic Party moving in a direction I cannot follow. From the time I first voted at age 18 in 1990 through 2002, I never voted for any Republican candidate for office (although had I known in 2000 that Al Gore had moved so far to the left on social issues, I would have been tempted to vote against him). In 2004, however, I did something I never thought I would do: I split my ticket. I voted Republican for President and U.S. House, Democrat for U.S. Senate and KY House. Unless the Democratic Party returns to its roots and moderates its positions on abortion, gay marriage, the role of religion in the public arena, the proper role for the courts, and similar issues, I will find it difficult to support any Democratic candidate for national office.

For me, politics changed forever on May 17, 2003, when the Massachusetts Supreme Court imposed gay marriage on that state without the consent of the people. Something that had not been an issue was now at the forefront. Certainly, part of my concern was related to my opinions about same sex marriage, but there was a more important undertone. It seems to me that most of the leaders of the Democratic Party fully support having the courts decide major public policy issues regardless of what the people want. Let me say that if the people's elected representatives voted to allow same sex marriage, I would accept that as a legitimate exercise of legislative power (but I would work to change it), but I cannot support the determination of public policy by the courts (even if I agree with the results).

There is a fundamental realignment going on in American politics today. Even twenty years ago, if you asked, "What is a Democrat?" the answer would be that a Democrat believes in using the power and resources of government to ensure that all Americans have the opportunity to succeed in life. Or if you asked, "What is a Republican?" the answer would be that a Republican supports limited government and policies that favor corporate interests. Today it is different. Most people think of Democrats as the party of secularism, while the Republican party is seen as the party of religious (especially evangelical Christian) conservatism. This realignment has left both moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats on the outside. I believe that if current trends continue, within twenty years the moderate Republicans will be in the Democratic Party and the moderate Democrats will be in the Republican Party, and the line of demarcation between the two parties will be social issues and not economic policy. Who would have ever thought that a Republican Congress and Republican President would enact a prescription drug benefit for Medicare? Even though it is a flawed plan, the idea that the Republicans would have passed any plan would have been unthinkable in the Reagan years. Conversely, who would have thought that a Democratic President would have signed a welfare reform bill and balanced the budget?

Let me close by saying that as of now I am really a man without a party. I'm not really at home with the Democrats anymore because I am strongly opposed to gay marriage, legalized abortion, and judicial usurpation of legislative authority, and I believe that religious expression is not improper in the public arena. However, I can't bring myself to join the Republicans because I am committed to the traditional Democratic ideas of universal health care, ensuring that our legal system safeguards our rights, government programs to assist the poor, and other policies in the mold of the New Deal and Great Society. If the Democratic Party would once again focus on these issues, and not make the social issues a litmus test, then I and many former Democrats would eagerly return to the fold, and once again the Democratic Party would be a national party and the majority party.

11/21/2005 6:08 PM  
Blogger Christian Democrat said...

Great write, Tim. Really well considered and spoken. Thanks.

The more I dive into this, and the more I interface with the variety within the Democratic Party, the more I realize how moderate I am by comparison. There are aspects of the Dems that I don't fully agree with - the ACLU high among them, and a lack of ability to reform campaign finance and corporate feeding at the trough to the same degree the GOP does it.

I am also ready for reform of abortion law, but I simply do not trust the theology of the men of the Supreme Court, nor the legislative abilities of the House and Senate - their last swipe at a re-write took it too far. I think there are many Democrats that are willing to consider third-tirm abortions as unconsionable, but are wary of laws that would become the basis for argument to limit the morning after pill. Given a good law, it could find bi-partisan support, but the GOP wants more than the Dems are willing to give. I side with the Dems on this one.

As for gay marriage - marriage should be purely a church issue (some will accept, others not) and Jesus should be preached to all with peace. Civil unions and partner rights should be respected by all.

Your fundamental realignment observations are spot-on, though I'll differ with you on seeing positive in the recent prescription drug plan - I see that horribly as a favor to the pharmaceutical industry. Hugely profitable and pouring contributions into the coffers on both sides of the aisle, this legislation protects those profits and increases them for years to come.

And I will say it again - the coffers on both sides of the aisle. Somehow, corporate "donations" have to cease.

I don't know if you saw Sen. John McCain on Larry King over the weekend, I caught the end of it when a caller asked the senator about the alignment of the religious right and the GOP. The senator responded as he had to a previous caller, saying to the effect that yes, there are groups that are very successful at organizing, getting out the vote and advancing their agenda. He then encouraged the caller to do the same - if of a strong opinion, get out and get active, organize and help form public comment.

Senator McCain's call is well made to all - study the terrain and consider the players. Beyond that, remember your maker and pray.

Then act.

Nice to meet you.

11/21/2005 10:11 PM  
Anonymous Tim Sweatman said...

Christian Democrat,

I didn't mean to imply that I see the medicare drug plan as a great positive. I do believe that for many Americans (including my parents and grandmother) it is better than nothing, but there is no question that it is a seriously flawed plan. What I was trying to get across is that it is amazing that the Republicans even put forth a plan at all. While the plan does benefit drug companies, the idea of expanding Medicare goes against traditional Republican ideas about limited government.

11/22/2005 12:49 PM  
Blogger Christian Democrat said...

I get your point, that for the Republicans to give a hoot about Medicare and less expensive prescriptions for those in need seems to go against their normal grain. My point is that they have so artfully sold this plan to the public that many are willing to accept it as better than nothing when it is in fact a huge boost for the drug companies, and shows very much the GOP norm of taking care of corporations over the people.

For the GOP to be able to trumpet thier Medicare plan as something for the people is preposterous, but they have succeeded in doing so. For it to be illegal for American to import American drugs from Canada is stiffling our freedom in the name of corporate profits.

11/22/2005 4:59 PM  
Anonymous Reverend William said...

I have found a wonderful web site and need to share with everyone, www.onlineblessings.com. My fellow faithful have brought this too my attention and have praised it

11/30/2005 9:25 PM  
Anonymous Texas Mike said...

In regard to Tim Sweatman's post:

"I am strongly opposed to gay marriage, legalized abortion, and judicial usurpation of legislative authority, and I believe that religious expression is not improper in the public arena."

If these are the reasons you are turning toward Republicans instead of Democrats, I ask you to rethink your alignments. On the first two issues I can only say that the Democratic Party does offer a big tent. But, on the last two, with all due respect, I think you've been influenced unduly by the right wing propaganda machine. If you look at Supreme Court decisions over the past several years it has actually been conservative judges who have usurped legislative authority more than liberal judges. And, no one in the Democratic Party is saying that religious expression is improper in the public arena. We all support freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, and freedom of speech. What we don't support is any level of government giving preferential treatment to one religion or denomination over any other, or to religiosity over atheism. I challenge you to take a hard, long, honest look at the facts and your own opinions and reconsider your opinion that the Democratic Party is on the wrong side of these issues.

12/01/2005 10:09 PM  
Anonymous Melanie C. Crawford said...

Melanie Christine

I am a Christian and will continue to be a Democrat as long as there is a minority group that requires a voice. I believe that the Democratic party has been the voice of the minority for over forty years. Be careful when getting caught up with impassioned viewpoints about same sex marriage or abortion. I believe that these very personal matters have been used to draw up support for a political party that could care less if your child, wife or sister requires such a painfully sad procedure like that of an abortion. I also do not believe that they care if people of the same sex marry, but I do believe that they have found ways to increase their pocketbook by not allowing partners to share insurance benefits. I believe that the war in Iraq is not about providing freedom for the people but gives American corporations full rights to the oil.
I am a Christian and I am a Democrat. I request that people stop voting for folks that proclaim Christianity, and don't even try to follow God's will. I believe that Bill Clinton received more negative consequences behind a very personal matter between he, his wife and God than George W. Bush has received for imflaming bi-partisanship, starting a false war, allowing utility fees to reach sky-rocket proportions and setting the United States into a serious financial crisis.
George W. Bush has spent so much money on the war that when it came time to help the victims of Hurricane Katrina- George W. Bush Sr. and Clinton had to beg on national television to get America to give. It is so sad that we have so many Americans that are truly needed right now. I can't imagine voting Republican.

12/09/2005 1:42 PM  
Blogger Tim Sweatman said...

Texas Mike,

I just don't see the Democrats having a "big tent" on abortion or same-sex marriage. Who was the last pro-life Democrat to be mentioned as a serious presidential candidate? But on the Republican side, right now Giuiliani is one of the leading contenders (although he won't get the nomination). How many nationally prominent Democrats are pro-life, not just in their personal beliefs but in their policies? The only one that comes to mind is Ben Nelson, and I'm not certain if he's pro-life in his policies or not. Look at all the prominent pro-choice Republicans---Giuiliani, Schwarzenegger, Specter, and most of the other Republican senators from the Northeast. On the national level, the Republicans seem, for the moment, to be the bigger tent on abortion.

On the issue of judicial usurpation of legislative authority, I'll concede that my statements failed to distinguish between liberals and the Democratic Party. But my observations are that it is mainly liberals who try to use the courts to decide public policy issues that they could never prevail on in the legislative process. And when courts overstep their proper bounds, as the Massachusetts Supreme Court did in the gay-marriage case, I rarely (if ever) hear a liberal voice protesting the courts' actions.

Regarding the issue of religious expression in the public arena, there are too many relevant issues to discuss in a forum like this. But in summary, it seems to be liberals who oppose public expressions of religion that have been acceptable in our society for over 200 years (and are still supported by the majority of the population).

Most of my differences on social issues are actually with liberals rather than the Democratic Party. But it does seem like the liberals are in control of the party, so it's easy to project one onto the other.

12/24/2005 3:58 AM  
Blogger buzzimp said...

I believe that the Democrats, or even a party further to the left wing of the Democrats are more a true embodiment of Christianity.

Christianity, to me, is about sharing, and caring for, not abandoning thy neighbour, and is about peace, all of which are embodied far more in the Democrats than in the Republicans. The Republican agenda seems to be fundamentally too linked to money and business.

I think Jesus would definitely be a democrat.

To see what's really going on in the Holy Land: www.occupiedpalestine.blogspot.com

1/17/2006 5:10 AM  
Blogger KSRChristian said...

I am so glad to see other Christian Democrats in the USA. I am TIRED of being ostracized by other Christians, told I can't POSSIBLY be a Christian because I'm not a Republican. I'm for improving education and healthcare, providing educational and business opportunities for everyone regarless of race, ethnicity, gender, etc, and against big businesses purchasing everything from laws to educational and health institutions. I'm for health education, sex ed that promotes abstinence before marriage and birth control for family planning. To me, abortion is never the best choice, but is ocassionally a lesser-of-two-evils option that may be discussed between a woman and her doctor, with spiritual guidance. It is not to be confused with or put in the same breath or category as birth
control.

War is also something that should be considered with EXTREME spiritual guidance, not vengence, as I belive the war in Iraq is.

I believe that most of my views are consistant with Christian Democrats, and I am thankful for all of your views. Jesus' radical teachings countered much of the "religious right" of His earthly time. I long to see the day when we are not just a Blog, but a force to be reckened with.
If there are actual organized groups, I would be interested in finding out more about them.

-KSRChristian

1/27/2006 10:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That there are only two effective political parties in the US is pitiful. Why is there no party for Christian Humanists, who want to put social justice to the fore yet still supports individual morality (pro-life, pro-family) as well? I may have to leave the country to participate ethically in politics, in a Christian Democrat party.

Yours,
Integral Humanist

2/24/2006 9:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am so glad to know my wife and I are not the only ones who are Christian Democrats. I live in "the bible belt" area known as South Carolina. I actually had a preacher tell me that it was impossible to be a democrat and a christian. I told him."you are looking at one." It really made me angry.

Thank you
TW

4/23/2006 7:35 AM  
Blogger Michael said...

I just wanted to thank you for writing this blog. It is so important in these unstable times to have a dissenting voice that will bring clarity. I am a new teacher here in Alabama. I just graduated from a very republicanized Auburn University. You can be tarred and feathered for even mentioning that you are a Democrat in some Christian groups. I was recently told that you can not be a Christian and a Democrat by one wily young republican extremist. While I responded with all the tools accessible to a High School Social studies teacher, he kept spouting out Bill O'Reilly and Anne Coulter quotes, unfortunately in their same attack dog style too. Keep up the good work, and God Bless you.

Michael

7/01/2006 9:32 PM  
Anonymous Faith, from Fluvanna said...

Eph. 6:12 "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but aginst the rulers, against the authorities,against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms." People, whether they are republican or democrat, are not the enemy.

11/03/2006 11:55 AM  
Blogger 4chnut said...

Thank God for your blog. I have not read all of it, but I am so thankful to find a place where others believe what I do and have said it so eloquently. Trust me, I will be sending others to your blog to read, comment and be inspired to hear our beliefs and concerns. I am pleased to find an arena where we can express that Christian and Democrat are not mutually exclusive terms.

11/13/2006 7:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I read many of the comments. Interesting how they claim to be Christians and then do what is forbidden in scripture--judge a person's heart and motive. It is the so called radical right that are in the forefront of helping the poor. Democrats are always whining to the government and having the government do their social work is somehow superior.
The Bible does teach personal responsibility, the church helping the poor NOT the government.
I do many tax returns and it is the boots on the ground lower and middle class conservatives that actually live their faith and give their resources--not the proud and arrogrant left wing dems
Check out and see who founded the Salvation Army, Goodwill, the great universities of Harvard, Princeton, YMCA. It is the Conservatives that were burned at the stake not the Liberals.
To the IBEW, why are you opposed to free elections, why are you part of an organization that uses violence and intimination to obtain its members?
Get a life

12/08/2006 12:10 PM  
Blogger Christian Democrat said...

I will recognize some of your points as valid from my perspective, and probably all of them from your perspective. From what I have seen of the local food pantry, the local homeless shelter, and my once a year Amor Ministries weeks in Mexico, there are many Republicans that do good works. But there are many Democrats, too. Telling the truth - we don't talk politics much when doing this stuff - there are more important and less polarizing topics to spend time with.

Even - no, perhaps especially - as brothers and sisters in Christ let's accept each other along the way, ignore our differences as much as possible, and enjoy the time we have together helping others. They really are some of the best of days.

Having considered the concept of the Biblical call to help the needy and recognizing it as a call to each person I have come to the conclusion that it is also a call to have us get the means to do so from the government as well. Taxation for programs that build people up, that help our neighbor, is just another possible part of the Christian way of getting it done. Do it personally and do it corporately if possible. This keeps the selfish on all sides as contributors to some degree and supplements the works done by people on a voluntary basis.

I'll also admit that there are some "proud and arrogant left wing dem(ocrats)" but you seem to miss your own admission that the top levels of income within the GOP don't participate as "boots on the ground." This is why we need to tax - they can afford to pay their share and more.

Without the great country that was built and is maintained by our governments local and federal, the rich would have no place in which to invest and build their businesses. Taxes are a good thing - they create the infrastructure that allows life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness - they also help secure those rights for the future.

The worry isn't in the taxes, it is in the greed of those people in charge of spending them.

Lastly, comments as your "Get a life" really don't do much towards conversation and only point to your animosity and anger. Find peace, please.

12/09/2006 8:17 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are a lot more of us than you think. My concern is keeping the government out of the church. Keep the church pure and reserved for a higher calling.

1/10/2007 10:50 PM  
Anonymous Tyler Demerath-Clark said...

I am a Fundamental Evangelist. As much as I think about who I should vote at any given time, when I get to the poll I can't seem to get past the desent of moral values I see as hotbutton targets in the liberal party. I don't enjoy the fingerpointing of either party. My Pro-LIFE obligations are more important to me than how much I pay for personal healthcare, if I will ever retire, who shot who first, or who made the mistakes.

I would also like to add that all religions are man's attempt to reach a GOD, and that is a honerable and noble objective. We all could relate. CHRISTianity is GOD's attempt to reach man, and that just blows my mind.

may GOD Bless you all

1/28/2007 5:38 AM  
Anonymous Richard said...

I am so thankful I found your blog. I am a student at New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary and I am a Democrat. There are only a few of us here on campus and we have been so blessed to have found each other. I can't wait to tell my brothers and sisters here on campus that we are not alone. Keep up the good work!

God bless you all!

Richard

Remember.....Jesus was a democrat!

3/07/2007 2:53 PM  
Blogger Christian Democrat said...

Ahhh - the enthusiasm of the young. It is to be treasured for it's certainty and the energy that determination provides, truly. One of the things I try to instill in the high school group I co-lead is that they need to come up with their own understandings - neither is it good to accept everything verbatim without due consideration nor to be so certain of something that further discussion isn't warranted. What was it Jesus said about "remaining in faith like a child..."

Welcome, Richard, and thanks for the kind words. I will say that Jesus wasn't a Democrat and he isn't for the Democrats any more than any other group. But He surely wasn't a fundamentalist stuck on one line of thinking either. Almost every word He spoke was meant to make us think all the more. If it is OK to envy in very small doses - I envy your years ahead - studious times are before you and that is a wonderful thing.

If you could, I would love to know the difference between Baptist and Lutheran (ELCA) theology. Send it via email and, if we agree it appropriate, I will publish it as a guest commentary.

Peace be with you.

3/08/2007 6:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good morning fellow christian and non-christian democrats. For a long time I thought you were dead. In fact I guess I was the one dead. I am a Christian, and a democrat, living amongst "Christian Republicans"(they are the only ones admitting to something!! I know there is more of you christian democrats out there than you're letting on, we all grew up together in the 60teeees, remember). Interesting how all republicans are christians and the atheist are only with the democrats. Whether that's true or not, is not the issue(the real issue is republicans are boring)(But they have also scared a lot of people). The democrats have under their wing all peoples, and all religions. We love all of GODs creations including the republicans. We allow for all beiefs, all aberations, all uniqueness, because the LORD will be doing the judging(now if you want to argue with the LORD, well what can I say, good luck). Jesus said we are to love GOD with all our heart and mind first, humanity second. He did not say republicans third, but I wonder....I mean they do hate everybody, hmmmm, reminds me of "Blazing Saddles". It's all about you..... "Republicans".
I'm sorry.... really, but when I get with GOD, communion, the Holy Ghost, the republic(ans) melt away into oblivion(they give me a headache). GOD is great!! Your site is great.

3/14/2007 11:07 AM  
Anonymous Art Pierce said...

Hi All,

I am not a Christian, more like "awakened" - please see the http://www.wakingdown.org/ web site
for some descriptions http://www.wakingdown.org/waking_down_offering.html of what really can't be put into words.

Onward...
I like to feel that the current administration - by hook or by crook, by gross ineptitude and refusal to plan beyond their own noses, by ideologue-olgy rather than flexibility, by control freakiness (hypermasculinity) rather than any willingness to adjust to what Christians might call "God's will," - has unwittingly exposed our great country's collective dark side, an imperialism that's been going on for a long time. And all imperialism ultimately fails.

It's good to get it more widely visible but it's too bad it has to surface in such a sad way with (hundreds of) thousands of innocent lives being lost and multitudes more being mutilated for life.

LOVE, as compassion for All, hurts.

But these, in my opinion, unnecessary forms hurt
more sharply and more deeply.

That said, for revealing what goes on behind the scenes in many political situations, educate yourself: Visit the best investigative reporter now going at http://www.gregpalast.com/archive (and also check out the twice elected Texas Commissioner of Agriculture at http://www.jimhightower.com/ )

Love,

Art Pierce
artpierce987654321@sbcglobal.net

5/16/2007 6:37 PM  
Blogger atom said...

While i don't consider myself a Republican or Democrat i do find comfort in reading your blog. It is refreshing to see fellow Christians worship the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob instead of the God of the Republicans.

Be blessed in Him,
A.

6/04/2007 1:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you so much for this Web site. It is so refreshing to really see that there are others like me out there.
I am a Christian and have taken Jesus Christ as my personal Savior, but politically I lean much more toward the left becaue I agree that the message Jesus taught is in many ways more in line with the Democrats' agenda than the GOP.
I have always felt like such an outcast as my Christian friends find me too liberal and my liberal friends find me too Christian. Thanks for giving us a voice.

6/15/2007 10:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love this site! It is exactly what I was hoping to find. Thank you for your faith and willingess to share your polictal and religous beliefs. I come from many generations of Democrats but now am a Republican mostly because I do not feel the Democrats welcome Christians, especially evangelcial Christians. This site is refreshing and truly demonstrates the love of Christ for all and reinforces loving, believing open minded Christians who truly want to honor God with a desire to care for those less fortunate. Thank you for your efforts to let others know there is room in the Democratic party for Christians. It is still difficult to deal with the Democratic party platform on homosexuality and abortion - late trimester specifically. Yet there are many very good things I do like as I am an envirnomentalist, seeking peaceful resolutions worldwide, and am in favor of immigration reform for the poor who seek a new life in this country. Seeking God's guidance and direction for the future. Again thank you for this site clearly demonstrating all are welcome.

7/07/2007 9:24 PM  
Blogger Christian Democrat said...

Thanks for your comments -

As I say elsewhere and often, faith transcends politics. I am in agreement with you on third trimester abortions, but think you may have heard too often the horrible stories that the GOP has in their talking points. Believe me when I tell you that nobody likes the idea of third trimester abortions and we all want them only when absolutely needed (and then there are better ways to deal with a new life). But we cannot say they cannot be performed at all and without exception.

As for homosexuality - get over it, please, unless you are sinless. You might reconsider not judging others as well as the nature of agape love toward your neighbor.

And lastly, as for peaceful resolutions worldwide, that is a wonderful ideal, but when there are terrorists that want to kill us and they have the means to do it I say hunt them down and kill them. Yeah, I know, not very Christian of me, but it is a God-given instinct to survive.

But yes, whenever possible and to be pursued relentlessly -

Peace.

7/08/2007 7:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From chapter 1 verse 25 of Romans to verse 31, the word of God lists sins that God hates. In verse 32 it states- Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, BUT HAVE PLEASURE IN THEM THAT DO THEM... I am not a Republican nor am I a Democrat. I will vote for the candidate that I feel MORALY represents Christ. As of right now, I cant say that I am happy with any of them. I home school my children and Hillary does not agree with home schooling. I Feel that she is a threat to my decision for my children (not to mention her unmoral out look on life period). Gullianni wants to try to straddle the fence on most of the issues. If Hillary gets into office, I'm afraid that it is going to be a sad day for this country. I am SO thankful that Jesus is patient and merciful. I know that he can not be happy with all that is transpiring in our country. I want to encourage you to fight the good fight of faith in what ever avenue that you choose to partake of. Please, do not be loyal to anyone or anything just because your folks did it. Search the word of God and decide what will be best from there. Do not allow your concience to be seared. Shut the television off for several days and pray dilegently for Jesus to guide you in your decisions. Hollywood has alot of people desincetized. what is Biblically concidered chaste is not viewed that way anymore. People want to run around half naked and say all manner of things contrary to the word of God. Be dilegent, be sobber, be awake! For our adversary, the devil, walks around as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour. May Jesus Christ be with you all in all that you do, according to the word of God. May he abolish all that is contrary to his word. Even so, come Lord Jesus!

7/20/2007 7:32 AM  
Blogger Christian Democrat said...

Indeed, anonymous writer, maranatha!

You have a great heart, and speak a personal wisdom that comes from your understanding of the Word. May His peace be with you always.

If I may ever so kindly and gently, really, suggest that perhaps you might get some help when teaching grammar and spelling to your children at home though.

I'm not against home schooling by any means, but I have had experience with several high school aged youth that were home schooled. My observation is that these youth have their parents strengths and weaknesses to even greater degree. Very simply, advice offered that wasn't asked for.

Such is the human way!

It is a sad state of affairs when it is deemed easier to withdraw from society than to work within it for change while keeping ones' persona intact.

Peace.

7/20/2007 9:43 AM  
Blogger Renee said...

Yay to all who stumbled here like me, a lefty with a faithful spirit.

Yay to all who recognize the right demanding all who consider themselves Republican unwaveringly support the dictates of their 'serperiors' is a very nasty thing and that *we* all need to get along, faith or no, to overcome this madness.

Yay to all of us who recognize there is much to be done to overcome, and that we must find strength in numbers!

I'm happy and peaceful in my relationship with God, and in it I'm told I need to move and work. I'll do that in the lefty way.

Bless you all!

8/03/2007 7:57 PM  
Anonymous jacob said...

Dear Christian Democrat,

Nice to see your blog! I am a Christian who believes in democratic principles. I am very much concerned seeing how the Republican party has hijacked the Christian faith...and being an immigrant to US, I see how bad an impact it has made all over the world for Christianity. I am boiling within myself to do something for the 2008 election! Meanwhile, here is a quote from C.S.Lewis, the great Christian teacher. NB: By democrat, I think he means one who believes in democracy.

"I am a democrat... I am a democrat because I believe that no man or group of men is good enough to be trusted with uncontrolled power over others. And the higher the pretentions of such power, the more dangerous I think it both to the rulers and to the subjects. Hence Theocracy is the worst of all governments. If we must have a tyrant a robber baron is far better than an inquisitor. The baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity at some point be sated; and since he dimly knows he is doing wrong he may possibly repent.

But the inquisitor who mistakes his own cruelty and lust of power and fear for the voice of Heaven will torment us infinitely because he torments us with the approval of his own conscience and his better impulses appear to him as temptations. And since Theocracy is the worst, the nearer any government approaches Theocracy the worse it will be. A metaphysic, held by the rulers with the force of a religion, is a bad sign. It forbids them like the inquisitor, to admit any grain of truth or good in their opponents, it abrogates the ordinary rules of morality, and it gives a seemingly high, super-personal sanction to all the passions by which, like other men, the rulers will frequently be actuated. In a word, it forbids wholesome doubt. ('A Reply to Professor Haldane' in Of Other Worlds: Essays and Stories, p. 81.)"

11/14/2007 7:45 PM  
Blogger Marci said...

I am happy to see this blog exists on the web. I live in a very conservative town and often feel intimidated to share my views.

Here is my question to the "blogosphere" out there. Where can I go to church?!

I am currently "chuchless". The last church I attended would annually place little pink and blue flags on their lawn to symbolize the number of abortions that happened each year. The church closest to my home recently had this post on their billboard. "How can a moral wrong be a social right?"

I can't understand why a church would purposefully alienate people? I think often "Christians" do more to drive people out of organized religion that any other source.

Not long ago there was a group of people picketing at the funeral of a local service man. The purpose of the picketing, as I understand it, was in response to the "don't ask don't tell rule" in the military. I am so offended by so called "Christians" that I can't seem to bring myself to a place where I am counted among these people?

Please give me some suggestions. I know that in the coming months, with a national election approaching, there will be a call from the pulpit to vote Republican. And nothing will send me screaming to the door faster than that!

Could this site ever evolve into a place where christian democrats might find a listing of appropriate churches in their area?

12/05/2007 10:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Praise God!

It is wonderful that the Holy Spirit has moved you christiandem, to combat the blasphemous hate and bile spewed by these people who in either ignorance or cunning attempt to label themselves as representatives of Christ. Jesus preached love, non-violence, justice, and freedom of speech. He was crucified by religous fanatics bent on unifying religious and political power- at any price. Thank you for being the voice crying in the wilderness. God bless

12/24/2007 9:40 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

I know there are comments which have already said this, but it really is good to find others who believe in spreading the Kingdom through government programs, and who believe that this earth needs to be better cared for. Thank you.

2/06/2008 4:16 PM  
Blogger Christian Democrat said...

Thanks Mark -

It's nice to have programs to help those that need, but it's wonderful when people of all clothes come together as community and do it on their own.

The more I get involved in the community of church, the doing of good as a small group unbeholden to any secular agency, the more I am certain it is the best way to get good done.

But there are often too few to do the job and hand, and so much left undone...

2/06/2008 6:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello,
I am a Born again Christian. I always thought growing up that I had to vote republican, because it was a Christian party. The older I got the more I realized that it is a front they use. There was a good point made in this blog: that the only moral issues are same sex marriage and abortion. How about war, poverty, feeding and clothing the poor. I am conservative in my Theology,(The Bible is without error, Salvation only through Christ, etc) But am more liberal in my politics. I think that the welfare system is needed, not everyone abuses it. I also think that health care should be universial,(I like Obama's plan the best.) There are Theological conservative Christians who are more liberal politicaly. I am one! Thanks. Nathan

2/08/2008 7:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just left a comment. I would like to be more clear. I am very conservative in my theology. I believe in the Bible as without error, and inspired, I believe in the diety of Christ, and salvation by grace through faith alone. I am a democrat because I belive the party is the best one to bring real change(it has a rich history). I tend to like thew views of the democratic candidates then the republican one. I have always struggled with this: am I a good Christian to support a candidate that is pro choice etc. I like Obama's views on health care, the war in Iraq, his view of dilomacy instead of war, and the idea that government is supposed to work for us, we are in effect the government. The republicans tend to stand for elitist white racist(not in all cases), non-diverse old rich millionaires who want everything to stay the same. I think we need change. I think Obama ca bring this. Anyway I am a theologicaly conservative, politicaly more liberal than conservative, am pro-choice, I believe marriage should be between a man and a women, and that should be defended. those are about the only two views that would make me conservative politically. The rest I have strong democratic leanings. If you look at what the Democratic party is, it does not all have top be ACLU card carrying atheist liberals. There are born agian evangelicals who are democrats. I fell like I am rambling, all this stuff is still new to me in many ways. Sorry more misspelling I wrote this a work, in a hurry, HA! Nathan

2/08/2008 8:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I want to say thank you for this site. I love the fact that there is some type of forum where the rest of us can meet, and share.

I am a democrat, living in Denver Colorado. I am a born again, single woman, and I have had a very difficult time finding a church here. I know that I don't fit in anywhere. and the christians I sit next to on Sunday morning would most likely spit on me if they knew I was a democrat. I've met such vicious, attack types of people here in the churches in the front range area. THEY ARE SO EASILY THREATENED.

On my dad's side,I grew up with southerners who would NOT have become a republican even if you had held a gun to their heads.
They did not believe in slavery, and they also believed that we are here on planet earth to help one another. I took these values to heart, as a young person in the 1960s.

With this as a sub-text in my life, I've had a very difficult time fitting in with not only society in general (who are currently overly narcissistic), but with the "management-minded, "me, my & I" agenda.Still pretty narcissitic from all outward appearances. I also detect a whole lot of projected unconscious, psychological material from these types. It's difficult to meet anyone who has a clear head, with a clear agenda, who knows what it is to be here now, and who is not anima ridden in their dealings with people.

Now a days, when and if I go to a church, I just sit in back, and have learned that if I try to get involved with this type of republicans, I WILL get burned.

I don't understand the value or thinking or logic(in light of what the Bible says), that allows them to walk all over someone that they don't agree with, and to become beligerent and hostile to someone they perceive as "not us".

So I sit in back, and make my participation in church minimal.They of course would say "shame on you", but I believe it truly is "shame on them". They are the respector of persons that Jesus warned about not becoming.
It's there in the Bible. They just chose to not read it or acknowledge it.

All of this aside, I love God, and what the Bible stands for. I was a flower child of the 1960s and did everything I could to help people through hard times. Even though I myself went through a horrendous time during that stage of my life. They hated us a "hippies" and then they hated us as "Jesus people".

I do NOT consider myself a leftist, I don't like that connotation. I believe in what the Bible says, and if one reads it in context, it's quite radical in and of itself. I don't tie that in with any particular group or structure. It's just that the democratic party best mirrors what I believe the Bible is saying, and the Republican group rarely IF EVER mirrors what I believe Jesus to be saying.
I'd love to have a place to have an on-going discussion about this, in real time. Anyone live in Denver who would like to continue this, especially since the convention will be here in August of this year (2008)?
rslevi@juno.com

2/19/2008 8:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What relief to meet other Christians who are also democrats! I have been a republican since my teens, first under the influence of my father and then being held captive by the republican's two wild cards, abortion and gay marriage. I did not like the "conservative" approach to all the other issues, but how could a "good christian" do otherwise? While I still agree with their principles on those two "hot button" issues, I can no longer allow them to blind me to everything else. I can however attend to these issues in my everday life, helping those around me. On all other issues, I believe the democrats have ideas that are much more in tune with my faith, and I am so glad that I am not alone. I also want to say, that there are good, faithful republicans out there, and there are shameful democrats, and vice versa. We have to listen to people, and not tune them out because they are red or blue. I hope that I will never be blinded by siding with a party again, but that I will follow Jesus and what He is saying to my heart.

2/26/2008 1:50 PM  
Anonymous Monty said...

Hi, Im pretty new to the political scene, only 20, but Ive already seen a huge change in my left/right standings. I grew up evangelical non-denomination christian and I still have those beliefs to this day, of Jesus dying for my sins on the cross and rising again to cleanse and forgive me. I also grew up very republican, I even remember professing a love for George W Bush in the past election only because I was against gay marraige and because that was who my family was voting for, and I wanted to fit in. But recently I spent some time outside of the US and have met people of all races and cultures, and I have discovered that the world is not in the black and white that the republicans paint it to be. I feel very sad that I previously chose a predetermined hate for homosexuality over the well being of people and our planet. I have discovered that its not all about whos gay or whos a sinner, but the fact that we are all creation the same, and the only way to reach out to anyone is through LOVE, and I havnt seen much loving from the current presidential regime. I think that it is time for a democratic president to take charge and speak for the people, not just the political agendas that the right live for. Jesus loved and listened and comforted, he didnt condemn, hate, or endorse violence. And I just dont understand how loving, christian people can be blinded by political alligance rather than common sence and the voice of God

3/04/2008 2:24 AM  
Anonymous Rod said...

I have yet to see or hear a Republican or a Democrat articulate the truth about LORD Jesus Christ and the truth in the Gospels. It seems every one of them believes there are several ways and religions to get to heaven. Therefore I have trouble believing any of them are truly saved. False Christianity is rampant in America. Many people mistakenly believe they are saved. But when I hear the Republicans are against abortion and same sex marriage and then see them turn away from helping the poor, I see a means to and end and that's all. And when I hear the Democrats are willing to help the poor yet promote homosexuality and the killing of unborn babies, I can see they too are simply using any means to an end also. In other words each party will tell us anything to get the prized job, be it Senator, Congressman or President. But why the Democratic party and it's followers do not see the evil in homosexuality and abortion is beyond my understanding. And I often ask myself why, after almost 30 years if not more than 30, have the Republicans did more to overturn Roe vs Wade? Both parties are enemies of God. And to most people's shock, I don't believe this country is something special to God. I believe that Israel is still God's nation of choice although Jesus brought us gentiles into a better covenant with Father God. I believe most Americans put being American above being Christian. There is so much wrong with that way of thinking that I won't go into it here. So let me make a suggestion to anyone who reads this. Pray before voting! Neither party is favored by God because both fail at demonstrating biblical principles and obeying God's commandments. Neither party put God first. Therefore pick the candidate who promises to help you and your family with what ever issues and problems you face. And then pray that he or she follows through.

7/16/2008 4:12 AM  
Blogger Brother in Christ said...

How about some actual scripture.

Issue
1.Sin
Killing unborn children Job 31:15
sodomy Lev 20:13

2.Promise of blessing
Feeding the poor.Proverbs 28:27
Being the peace maker Mat 5:9

The wages of sin are death And Hell.Romans 6:23

Promise will cause blessings on earth or Treasure in heaven. Mat19:21

The issues with the democratic platform will send you to hell for supporting them. Like Judas.

The issues with the republican party will stop blessings.
However these blessings are based on your works as a person.Not as party.

If you want the Government to take care of you that is socialism, next comumunism.

The govenment should not have to take care of the Poor that's the Churches Job. Do you tithe and give offerings?

And may I remind you the words of Jesus "For the poor you have with you always." John 12:8

As a Christian you must vote your righteousness and righteousness has no sin.

With love,
Your brother in Christ.

9/13/2008 8:41 PM  
Blogger Christian Democrat said...

Brother in Christ -

There's much ground covered in your comment. Rather than dive in here and write a lengthy monologue of response I'll ask that you go to the various pages more specific to each topic. You can find a blog index link in the bar on the right.

Do I know you?

May His Peace be with us all.

9/14/2008 8:49 AM  
Blogger Brother in Christ said...

No I don't think we know each other and I just started bloging.
I will look for the topics on the right. No pun intended.

9/14/2008 4:29 PM  
Blogger Laura said...

My first blog comment - anywhere. I had to say thank you for articulating what has been in my heart since sometime during the Clinton administration leading to a crisis in faith during the 2004 election when I felt that I couldn't 'really' be a Christian if I wasn't a Republican but found that the message of G.W. Bush and Co. was at complete odds with my values. After much prayer I found that my relationship with Christ isn't about politics. It's a personal relationship. So I remain a happy Christian and a Democrat. Jesus leads me to treat all people with respect and love. We are charged as Christians to bring others to Christ and often we can soften the ground. You can do that with a pick axe or with water. Since Jesus is the water to quench the thirst of the soul I chose to be the water. I think that the Christian Republican's soften soil with pick axes Christian Democrats use water. I like to think that Christ would prefer water but believe He probably would stay completely out of politics if He were back on earth. Again thank you for saying what I could not.

9/20/2008 10:02 PM  
Blogger Brother in Christ said...

Laura the thing is we must be Christians. Clinton made it OK to have oral sex to a whole generation of youth. By saying it was not sex. The bible doesn't stand for that. The Clintons go along with the Democratic platform of sodomy. When you vote as a democrat you vote for this, weither you like it are not.

We have too many watered down Christians and that's the problem. You need not think what Jesus would prefer only read his word with the help of the Holy Spirit to know what he wants. Jesus' main weapon is the two edged sword (the Word) like the pick axe you referred to only sharper able to pierce the hearts of the lost.(Heb. 4:12) Jesus doesn’t want mud and he came to make war with the devil by the sword.(Mat.10:34)

You are correct about your relationship with Christ has nothing to do with politics, drug use, sex life, or other such things. But where you are deceived is all things should be affected by your relationship with Him.

Look at your words "message of G.W. Bush and Co. was at complete odds with MY values" You should see which message most closely lines up with God's Values.

Jesus is very concerned with politics. He is the one who sets the leaders in control.(Dan.4:17) When the hearts of the people are turned toward God He gives them good kings.(I,II Ch.)
Jesus is coming soon and will be completely involved in politics for He will have the governments on his shoulders.(Isa.9:6)

When He comes will you be supporting murder by abortion and abominations by voting Democratic? Do you think He will like that?

If the Democratic Party would drop these main sin issues they support whole heartedly then as a Christian I could vote for one. Until then I have no other choice. Give me Back the Democrtic Party of Kennedy.

Just something to think about.
With Love

9/21/2008 2:04 PM  
Blogger Christian Democrat said...

Thank you, Laura, for your kind words. The fundamentalist Christians, it seems, would have us legislate faith as they do in Iran. Spread the Word, work in faith.

9/23/2008 7:18 AM  
Blogger Brother in Christ said...

Jesus was the fundamentalist since the word means, pertaining to a ground work, at the root or foundation of something. Jesus being the chief corner stone of the foundation(Eph.2:20)is what we are told. I sure want to be like Him.

And since we have a new and better covenant with Him (Heb.8:6) means we must abide by the rules of that covenant given to us in the Word.
In which He has legislated or gave law to us. Law being a rule of action or conduct laid down or prescribed by authority.

Since it is by divine rule and not mans rule as in Iran, I think we should adhear to them. Do we not all agree?

9/23/2008 7:00 PM  
Blogger Christian Democrat said...

Brother, you paint a grey world in black and white.

Yes. We should adhere to a perfect life as did Christ. Key word being "should." I don't know of a single person that does nor do I think it possible.

So not just we, but others make mistakes. Shall we punish them worse than they already have it? Shall we cause these - let's call them the Gentiles of today - shall we cause them to adhere to a law that is outside their collective agreement? If we, as the minority, believe a higher law, shouldn't we accept it for ourselves but not impose it upon them?

I look forward to a perfect world but accept that the one I live in is far from it. My responsibility, my accountability, includes all of mans' law plus a greater measure. Beyond that, you won't get much from me.

So, no. We should not legislate law that the majority doesn't agree with.

9/23/2008 9:19 PM  
Blogger Brother in Christ said...

Yes brother the world is in darkness and that is why the Light came, and now we are the light of the world.(Mat. 5:14)
Be ye Holy as I am Holy. (1Peter 1:15) God would not have told us to be Holy if it were not possiable. Should you renew your mind to this part of His word?

Yes we make errors but we must be quick to repent like David. When we repent Jesus blots out our mistakes. And David had a Heart after God's own heart.

We are to punish no one. Vengeance is the Lords. But we are to use the word to reprove, rebuke, correct, and instruct others in righteousness. (2Tim.3:16,4:12)

You have compromised God's Word by believing it is not true that you can not live in His righteousness. But you can because He instructs us to.

We do not legislate God's law as I said He does. Our responsibility is to lead others to receiving it and following it. If our country's laws can help do that should we not take advantage of it?

9/24/2008 7:08 AM  
Blogger Christian Democrat said...

To answer your final question, no.

To spread God's law you must spread faith in God. It's like I told the congregation in my faith story - you can't expect to bring your kids to church to learn moral lessons and live a better life unless you also embrace the faith that leads to implementing those moral lessons into one's daily life. So no, we can't legislate faithful behavior and expect that to cause the behavior, it has to come from a different desire.

But you didn't answer my question in the previous post:

Do you lead a righteous life?

9/26/2008 8:01 AM  
Blogger Brother in Christ said...

I do live a righteous life buy faith. And can you give me chapter and verse on spreading faith?

I agree with you about being an example to you children. If you don't abide in the Word why would they.

We should live in holy conduct (2 Peter 3:11) to cause that conduct to be desired in others.

So you say we are not to try and promote righteous living any way possible, if it is peaceable i.e. Godly laws. However if it effects the Godless world we should turn the other way, and let them go to hell peacefully.

God calls us warriors and puts us in armor (Eph.6) and says were His army (Rev.19:19).We are to fight against the darkness in this world. Not to be passive and make friends with darkness (2 Co.6:14).

Why would you not make Godly laws (rules) for the people?

Did not God Himself lay down rules for the people? Are we not to be following His example? We have gotten so far away from His Word and that's why we don't think like Him.

I know we must turn back and hear His voice. Do you not agree with these biblical truths?

9/27/2008 6:55 PM  
Blogger Christian Democrat said...

Brother in Christ -

I believe in Biblical truths, but not necessarily in your interpretation of them.

God gave us the law in the first place. It didn't work. Having man give law does make it a here-and-now punishment, which usually makes people think more about consequences, but there is no faith in that.

There are so many calls to spread faith that I won't even touch that here.

No. In a single word I would not put God's law on the people via adding laws to that of man.

I, too, live righteously thru faith. Grace, that is. I'm imperfect but not as imperfect as I was before finding Christ. Is that what you meant by "righteous buy faith" (sic)?

9/29/2008 10:07 AM  
Blogger Brother in Christ said...

Have I given my interpretation or have I given chapter and verse?

Here is more scripture 2Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of private interpretation. According to this we are not allowed our own interpretation.

The law worked for those who followed it but the law could not destroy the work of the devil as it was weak because of the flesh.(Rom.8:3) Thus the need for Jesus.

When people think about consequences for their action won't this allow the Holy Spirit the chance to show them Jesus (the Light) after all that is His job.

I do not know of any scripture that says to spread faith. If you can find one I would like to know were it is at. I will gladly admit my ignorance to chapter and verse.

I do know we are instructed to spread the gospel in Mark 16:15.
The gospel being the good news. The good news being the blessings of the Word of God. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.(Rom.10:17)

Maybe we are just confused about what the word faith means.

So we spread the Word, not God. When we speak God's Word then He can reveal the measure of faith that is in all men(Rom.12:3)So they can believe on Him.

So you say you are not willing to act like God. And my so called interpretation of "be ye holy as I am holy" is not what God ment when he said it twice in His Word. God gave His law to people but you won't.

Is it not by the law that people understand what sin is?(Rom.3:20) If they don't know that a man having sex with a man is sin, then they will stay in the dark.
Can you please give me some of God's word to support your view?

9/29/2008 9:52 PM  
Blogger Christian Democrat said...

Brother in Christ -

You tire me. I know you have the best intentions but I find you to be of convictions as strong as my own but as different as can be and still consider each of us Christian. Not surprisingly I find from your quotes that we even use different Bibles. I'm primarily an NIV student but go to the King James sometimes.

Are you enjoying this conversation?

To your points:

In 2 Peter 1:20 there is a significant difference between our versions. The NIV has it as:

"Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation."

This brings clarity to me when I read the King James version again. The point being made isn't that we should interpret the Bible one way or another, it is that the prophets didn't interpret anything, they gave the words that God gave them.

As for Romans 8:3, this quite makes my point - the law didn't work. If God's law didn't breed better behavior, why in the world would you think mans' law superior?

As for the Holy Spirit I know of no law that would cause a non-believer to consider the Holy Spirit, nor the consequences of having broken mans' law to cause the same. Only through faith can the Holy Spirit work.

Yes, I consider spreading the Word (the Gospel) to be the same thing as spreading faith. Other than through our actions showing our faith, how might we share the good news? Only through spreading the Gospel. So all those places you read to share the Gospel I consider to be instructions to share the faith.

I don't know that any measure of faith is "in all men." I do love the concept of each of us having a God-sized hole in our hearts every time I hear it, but I know too many that let it remain empty.

As for your final 1 Peter quote, "be ye holy..." I find that a fine instruction, a goal not achievable for me. If you are righteous in all you do, I should either greatly congratulate you or rebuke you as a blasphemer. Not sure which is correct as you never responded to the final question in my previous comment.

Brother in Christ, here's one part of our difference - I don't like small quotes from the Bible, and my pastor supports this concept. Taking one phrase and using it to a given purpose is in error. Reading and studying the Bible at length, with people of diverse opinion, yields a greater understanding of the love of Christ, of the desire not to judge others but to show the agape love of neighbor and let others be as they are, reaching them as you might. Starting the conversation by screaming that the person is a sinner, an abomination and in need of change, won't get you far.

I have gone a bit of a long route with the apostle Paul, having had a very persuasive and intelligent Romans teacher, with being Lutheran adding to the case. I initially found Paul to be amazing in his transformation but came to think of him as flawed, too human in much of his statements. Too law-seeking Jew, actually. But in Philippians 3:12-14, I find a truth that even one who met Jesus after the resurrection admits:

"Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus."

If a man who met Jesus, was blinded by him and turned into one of the first Christians, personally, by Jesus, says he hasn't gotten there yet it gives me hope. Hope that in my still flawed nature I have grace through faith.

Spread the Gospel first - the love of God the father to lay down his son so that all of us could live. Let the Holy Spirit do it's own work in those that come to understand it.

9/30/2008 1:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Jesus held political views, what party would he belong to?
Why are religion and politics so influential to one another? It seems to be the case so often, both in the days of Jesus and today. It’s just mankind getting in the way of himself. To view it in a more truthful light it makes sense (of our own understanding and intellect) for ‘religion’ and politics to be so parallel and influential to each other, but in God truth, ‘religion’ and spiritual truth are opposites. Jesus’s biggest opponents (and the ones who killed him) were the super religious elite. So it’s nothing new today either with the super religious (not the super spiritual) being so bound up in the political arena of the ‘world’ today. Jesus was sent with one objective in mind to save us from ourselves, and this is the only thing that really matters in life. Our supposed religious leaders (Pat Robinson, Rick Warren, Jesse Jackson , Al Sharpton) should not get involved or express their political views, doing so is evidence of their lack of relationship with God
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Just to clarify I’m not republican nor democrat, not a capitalist or a socialist. I am a man of God that believes each side has valid views, and each side has selfish agendas. The political system is made of man, embedded with flaws throughout like a cancer. Luckily God still selects those that are put into power (John 19:11) no matter how good or evil (conservative or liberal) they may be viewed by man, all to fulfill God’s good and perfect will. My personal battle is to ignore the bombardment of political talk, and to avoid conforming to the pattern of this world. To seek God and God only with all my heart mind and soul and to love my brother as myself. Isn’t this the greatest command?

When Jesus was asked this question by the religious elite (Matt 22:36) his answer really threw them off as they were asking specifically which of the commands handed down in the judaic law. The law that Jesus said was put into place to condemn us. Since Jesus didn’t come to condemn but to save his answer while immersed in truth, was contrary to where the religious elites mindset was and still is today, which is contrary to the will of God, and pointed straight towards man’s law and mans will, the very will that will keep us confined to condemnation. It’s a battle for all mankind (more specifically Christians) to separate the two and it’s been that way from day 1 when God made two trees the Tree of life and the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil. Only one gives life, the other causes confusion and controversy.

Why today, do we still continue to eat from this tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Because as humans our sin that is buried so deep in our core causes us to be so self-righteous and to love controversy and to argue matters of this world instead of focusing us on the one tree that God intended, the tree of life. Where the only fruit it yields is selflessness and peace. Why as a true Christian do we burden ourselves with manmade systems? Why do we spend so much time and effort thinking our views and vote really will make a difference? To be patriotic Americans? Is it better to be Patriotic or Spiritual? Are the leaders that express their political views so spiritual (religious) that they have such a good handle on their holiness that they can now focus their efforts on changing the world? Steering its course to their own will? Even if they think it’s in line with God’s will? How can they be so arrogant to think that their influence on the political arena can change what God has already set in motion? How can we be so also?

But since we are in this world and we are human, let’s look at it from a humanly perspective without any consideration that God ever set Christians apart from this world.

From a Democratic point of view; Republicans (generally capitalist) tend to be right wing religious zealouts (much like Paul was when he was killing Christians), doing so in the name of God! Republicans are ok with Capital punishment “Kill them if they deserve it” based on social standards (not necessarily God’s standards), Republicans are ok with a great divide among the rich and the poor. With the rich privileged and the poor suppressed. With one side forcing a unequal division of wealth even at the cost of the government and the people. (War that benefits corporations that are tied closely with those leaders in charge – ‘oil industry’) Democrats (generally socialist) are considered fair, ethical and for the people, using government if necessary to launch their own agendas.

From a Republican point of view; Republicans tend to be religious (Christians), upstanding citizens that are patriotic, that love God and love the American way of self responsibility, and willing to use the Government to launch their own agendas, if necessary. Democrats are viewed as immoral worldly people. A people that don’t think twice at killing unborn babies, but willing to spend tax payers dollars keeping a child molester in prison versus killing him off as quickly as possible in the name of saving tax payer dollars. Democrats are willing to give handouts to anyone who asks even if at the costs of the government and the people.

So which side is right? I say neither, as both sides are filled with sinful humans that only see the world in a worldly light. Both sides put the true God in a box only to use him when needed or to hide him away from their selfish deeds. Both parties have been so closely tied with religious parties that either political party now seems to be a religious entity of their own. With the republican party being saturated with super religious Christian and Jewish influence. And Democrats having more liberal religious views thus commonly referred to as generally Atheist, much like Jesus was considered by the super religous since he was seen as (and considered a blasphemer) not adhering to Judaic law even though he adhered to and fulfilled the law to the ‘T’.

Today if you are not a Republican then you’re not a true Christian and if you are not a Christian you must be a democrat. Much like man has always been for thousands of years, man wants to take Gods virtues and make them man made laws, contrary to Jesus teachings (like man-made laws are going to be adhered to more seriously). Or is it so man can then dish out his own punishment versus leaving that up to God? Republicans want to legislate moral issues, government imposed restrictions on abortion or gay marriage, keeping prayer in schools and God in the pledge of allegiance. If the Bible says it’s wrong, we should make it illegal. Democrats, on the other hand, want to leave those moral choices to the people.

Democrats want to legislate social justice issues, government imposed help for the poor and the oppressed. If the Bible says to help the poor, we should make a welfare system. Republicans, on the other hand, want to leave helping the poor up to the people. Let them fend for themselves.

So what we end up developing is arguments (one good and one evil) on both sides and mutual demonization towards each party. With the Republicans not caring about the poor and the Democrats not being moral humans and ok with abortions. Sounds like what Jesus set out to teach us to be? Not quite… But we Christians lack faith, lose focus and always have to delve into worldly affairs.

But abortion is evil? It’s our Christian duty to fight it and to do good! Let’s make it law that you can’t have an abortion!! But the poor are suppressed that is evil!! It’s our duty to help and to do good. Let’s make it law to have programs to help them! Both sides want to make laws, to give their parties more power to give man more power, to allow man to decide what is good and what is evil, to legislate it and control it takes away the control from God, and has us as humans getting our fill of fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

If Jesus came to America for his ministry today, he would have hung out with the democrats because they are the immoral people that are the sickest and need healing the most. (Matt 9:12). However it would have been the republicans that he had the most conflict with. It would have been the super religious self- righteous republicans that would put Jesus to death. After all Republicans are for capital punishment and it would be used today in the same way the Jews used the romans capital punishment to kill Jesus. Gods will for Jesus could have not been fulfilled in a nation that was for one, more liberal, and two that did not have a system that supported capital punishment. So it’s clear who would have been the party to scream crucify him crucify him!! God never changes and neither does mans sinful nature.

So what if your tax dollars happen to go towards something that might feed a percentage of people that might very well be able to feed themselves otherwise. It’s not about where your dollars goes as much as it is where your heart is in the act or giving. Tithing is the same, it’s not so much how the church uses your money but the act of your giving.

Most claim it’s better to sacrifice a few lives in war to ensure the security of the masses, but on the same hand the same people can’t see that it’s better to give to help the masses of a given group (the poor) even if a few abuse the system.

Your money is going to go somewhere, the government under any party is going to spend your money somewhere, whether under a democratic party it will lean less towards war and more towards bigger government programs for the people. In a republican lead party it’s going to go less towards social programs and more towards select private corporations and the elite. As it has the last 8 years. Corporations like Haliburton or Exxon that benefits from war, and make a few rich out of the wallets of the working class. I seriously doubt in a democratic lead administration that they would ever get away with a social medicine program or any type of welfare program that costs half a trillion dollars as the war has. You would hear “I am not paying to enable lazy people - i.e. the niggers)”. But the same people are ok struggling to fill their tanks, pay their power bills, feed their kids while claiming “War thus our security and freedom is worth it”. Whether a half trillion dollar war that takes ten’s of thousands of dollars out of each of our pockets in the form of taxes, higher fuel costs, higher food prices, or a billion dollar welfare program that costs of thousands of dollars every year in taxes, one way or the other your money is going to get spent.

But as Jesus said. (Matt 22:21) “Give to Caesar what is Caesars give to God what is God’s”, again Jesus was teaching where our focus should be God’s will not the World’s will. And to also submit (no matter what party we are lead by) to government authority. As a faithful Christian we should have the faith that nothing the government can enact or legislate is going to get in the way of God having a relationship with the people that wants to have a relationship with him. Nor is any legislation the government can enact or legislate is going to cause anyone to love God that otherwise would not. Neither party , or no law is more power than the power of God’s love.

So for the people that waste their efforts trying to keep prayer in school or God in the pledge of allegiance, or to try and ban a book from schools, or from store shelves in the name of Morals, or of Religion or of God, don’t be so self righteous to the point of thinking that something you push for is going to allow God to better commune with his people. It’s those people that think God needs their help and that help God out of his box like he can’t do it himself even if he was truly in a box. Believe me you aren’t holy enough to help God to fulfill his will in this world. In the same way your vote (nor your opinion) in the political world isn’t going to deter the choice God has already made for who he is going to put in the position of leadership in this country. Whether it be a supposed Christian, a supposed Muslim, or the supposed Anti-christ. Any of which God chooses to put into power, again would be for his own purpose.

In the same way most Christians view the Jews as Evil and stiff necked people that killed Jesus, the same views are held towards potential political leaders even as far as calling them the Anti-Christ. And that we better not vote for them. Like our vote can thwart or delay God’s plan. It’s those people calling potential leaders the anti-christ in an attempt to demonize them with the hopes that less people might vote for them, It’s those people that Jesus would have said “Get behind me Satan” as he did Peter when Peter told Jesus that he would never let anything happen to him and that nobody would be killing Jesus. Peter was trying to intervene in God’s will just as those that hold views that a potential leader is anti-christ and thinking hopefully he is not elected lest we face the end of the world. I say “Thank God for allowing Jesus to die, and thank God for allowing the Anti-Christ to come to power.” Both cases being topics of rejoice for the true children of God.

If Jesus had a political opinion it would be neither, His focus was on Gods true will not that of man. And if we are supposed to be like Jesus then we should focus our own efforts on the things of God. And leave the political arena to the pagans. Nothing we as man can do or influence can change the path of Gods will. As Christians we cannot pool together and change the course of Gods will. But we can pool together to help one another, hold each other accountable and to assist each other in our walk with God. Nothing man can do can change Gods plan for the world no matter how holy we are or perceive ourselves to be.

Going to Church on Sunday, and getting our Jesus once a week, maybe twice counting Wednesday, (or not at all) leaves us plenty of time to worry about the things of the world, and to get stirred up about the politics of this world. However as true Christians we should do as Joshua 1:8 says, “Do not let this Book of the Law depart from your mouth; meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do everything written in it. Then you will be prosperous and successful.”
Day and night 24/7. That is what it takes for us humans to not fall into the pattern of this world, and that’s what it takes for the arrogant to be humbled. How then do we have so much time to dwell in the matters of the world?

10/05/2008 7:09 PM  
Blogger Wanda's ODAT said...

Hi, I am Wanda, a politically persecuted Christian in upstate SC.
To be connected with the Democratic Party here is to be linked with satan himself! I don't have time to read the entire blog, but will come back to this. I assume your will be supporting Obama?

I have also tried to research Roe v.Wade and just now read that of the 7 justices 5 were Republicans! And of the 2 who dissented, one was a Republican, one a Democrat!
How could I just now have discovered this!

I know I am truly ignorant about American politics, but that is going to change.

Thanks for this blog!

Wanda

10/22/2008 4:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well done all of you!

I mean think about it...one of the most famous Conservative Evangelicals has been a registered Democrat all his life...Billy Graham has always voted Democrat!

And I'm sure that most Republican Evangelicals would agree that Billy Graham is certainly not an evil immoral person!

Democrat Evangelicals need to point things like this out to their Republican friends. At least it should make them stop and think.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8326362/

10/24/2008 2:50 AM  
Blogger Broward ANAD said...

Thank you so much for your blog. This will be my first time voting in a US Election. I became a US Citizen last year.

I am a Christian and a Democrat.

Some of my more conservative Christian friends and family basically believe that to be a "good christian" / "real christian" you have to be a Republican.

What other sites (along with your blog) could I use to read/get informed and pass along to my hardcore republican-christian friends.

Thanks so much. I am so glad I found your blog. I was starting to feel like a "bad christian".

Regards,

Lily C.

10/25/2008 3:17 PM  
Blogger Christian Democrat said...

Hi Lily -
Thanks for your kind words. I would recommend the book "God's Politics" by Jim Wallis as well as his action site www.sojo.net. The book slams the GOP and the Dems equally and has caused all to consider their place. A very worthy read.

Also worth noting: Billy Graham was a life-long Democrat. Here's the link:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8326362/

Welcome!

10/26/2008 8:02 AM  
Blogger Broward ANAD said...

Thank you very much for your reply.
I will definitely check out "God's Politics" and www.sojo.net .

So interesting to know that about Billy Graham!

I also learned by reading your blog and comments people leave that

1) In regards to Roe VS. Wade: The supreme court issued its decision on January 22, 1973, with a 7 to 2 majority.
Of the 7 justices 5 were Republicans. And of the 2 who dissented, one was a Republican, one a Democrat.

2) this quote of yours is awesome (I sent it to my family/friends with a link to your blog):

"Many Christians think that American law should match that of the Bible. I disagree. Should that come to pass we would be not far different from the Sunni, Shia and Kurds of Iraq. (...) For those of you that disagree with the concept of a fair number of fundamentalist Christians being similar to the Shia, you either don’t know any, or are one."

Wow! so true.

Thanks again for your blog/ministry.

Lily C.
ANAD Broward County Chapter

10/26/2008 11:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's Get Rev. Grahams statement correct and in full.
Graham: Well, I don't know that. I've never found out who they're associated with. Locally, I'll vote one way and nationally, maybe another.

He votes prayerfully. And does not say he only votes Dem. I'm a registered Dem.but I'm Christian formost and I never seem to be able to vote for Democrats.
Why is it that Democrats always feel such conviction about being one? There is no condemnation in Christ. Other Christians should not be mean to you. If they are mean and you line up with the word. You have nothing to worry about. But if you feel conviction of the Holy Ghost you really should yield to Him for your best interest.

And I don't know how you can compare Christianity with Islam a Satanic Religion of hate.

When Jesus comes He will be politics. He will be the ruler of all the earth. Jesus has already made all the laws. You might as well start following them now why wait till your forced to with the rod.

10/26/2008 5:42 PM  
Blogger Christian Democrat said...

Anonymous -

Regarding Billy Graham, we could both be accused of taking those bits out of context. Much as grabbing one verse from the Bible on which to base an understanding, a greater context is needed. Here's Billy and Katie, verbatim:

Couric: Do you worry about the current mix of Evangelical Christian doctrine and politics? About preachers who are suggesting to their congregations that they should vote a certain way. Does any of this concern you, Rev. Graham?

Graham: No, they've always done that. You can go back to the Middle Ages and the Protestant Reformation, things like that. They've talked politics for centuries. And I stay as far away as I can.

Couric: Why?

Graham: I think that if I would talk on a political subject, if I talk about it, it would divide the audience on that issue. That's not my issue. My issue is Christ.

Couric: I read, though, that you're a Democrat. Is that true?

Graham: Yes. I am.

Couric: Do you think people would be surprised to learn that? Because generally, in this day and age, Evangelical Christians are closely associated with the Republican Party.

Graham: Well, I don't know that. I've never found out who they're associated with. Locally, I'll vote one way and nationally, maybe another.


I'll also side with wanting to keep as far from politics as possible, but it is the fundamentalist takeover of politics, and the claiming of "true faith" that caused me to write this blog. I simply could not remain silent.

As for comparing Christianity with Islam, I didn't. I compared the nature if people that belong to the faiths. In Iraq there are Sunni, which consider themselves Islamic but not needing to force their faith on others, there are the Shia, the fundamentalists that believe their understanding of God's law should be the law for everyone, and there are the Kurds, who really just want to get along. If you don't see the parallels, lets move on.

When Jesus comes, there will be no more politics. THANK GOD! But I ask you, if people were to follow God's law because man said so, do you think that would make God happy? Wouldn't it be better if they did it from their own heart, their love of God?

Oh, one more question: Are you perfect? (oops, two) Should you judge others?

10/26/2008 9:18 PM  
Blogger Christian Democrat said...

I don't know why people send me email rather than post, but they do. When those communiques are special I post them. This is one from a guy named Tim:

I too, am an Evangelical Christian and a Democrat, something that due to some strange occurrence in my short lifetime of 38 years has become an oxymoron. How has this happened? I just left my very progressive, contemporary church this morning disturbed by the fact that my pastor used the pulpit as a political forum to promote the right-wing agenda; and coming face to face with the reality that I am in the closet about my political beliefs, bumper-stickerless, yard-signless, t-shirt-less, and yes, spineless! Why? Because I am afraid of being judged. Why should I be judged for voting with the political party that cares about the poor, the voiceless, the oppressed? Why should I be judged for supporting a party that believes that religious choices should not be mandated by the government? Why should I be judged for choosing a candidate who believes as I do, that the very wealthy of this country have exploited all other classes all of my life and I have watched them thrive every time they have come into power politically since I was a young child of 10, watching my unemployed Conservative father have a nervous breakdown! I am a true Evangelical Christian. I share about my relationship with Christ to all who know me in a respectful, accepting way. I serve at my church faithfully, leading a ministry of youth ministering to young children to “Ignite a Revolution in the Next Generation”. I have ministered overseas as a missionary, sharing the gospel and financial support to those who are in great need of both. I simply do not believe that it is the job of my government to force others to believe as I do! Only God can reach souls for His glory. I can’t make decisions for others and I don’t appreciate pastors who have the power to lead people’s opinions, encouraging undecided voters to vote on the Right as if that is the only right choice. I AM voting my values! I don’t appreciate the accusation that as a Christian, that means that I have to vote Republican. How do I reconcile my decision as a Christian? I’ll tell you. WWJD? What would Jesus do, now in 2008 a few days away from the big decision? I don’t think he would try to use the pulpit as a political forum. He didn’t get caught up in politics at all. That was what a lot of Jews like Judas had against him. His kingdom that He spoke about was not on this earth. He just went around and loved people. He loved them, no matter what they did, and He knew everything they did, like the Woman at the well and Mary Magdalene. He loved them and forgave them. He didn’t judge them or try to force them to think how He thought. He just loved them. I’ve had friends who have had abortions. I, personally, could never make that choice, but I respect and understand their right to make the choice they made. I have given them my advice that I believe one day they will regret that choice and they have. I have then been there for them and supported them through it, because I am a good Christian who loves them like Jesus does, and does not hold their sin against them. I have gone out to the little right-wing, brainwashed teenagers who are holding up their hideous signs of pictures of aborted fetuses and asked them politely to please put them down when my friend exits the clinic after her procedure and heard them comply. I have walked side-by-side with my friend while these same “Christian” kids yelled angry accusations at her in the name of Christ! I have driven my friend over the sidewalk and up the lawn to avoid them. Why? Because that is what I believe Jesus would do. I surely can’t imagine him yelling at her to somehow convince her of what a horrible sinner and person she is. I never saw MY Jesus ever do that. I have been there to see some of those same friends come to Christ after I shared not only the GOOD NEWS of Jesus Christ with them, but also His love and acceptance. I have seen them give their lives to become fully devoted followers of Christ, be baptized and yes, completely forgiven and cleansed, made pure from that sin, just as we all have for all of our sins; hatred, lust, addictions whatever…Jesus has forgiven all of us for all of our choices. It is always a choice to sin or not…just as it is a choice to come to God or not. I respect all of those choices. That is how I reconcile my faith and MY political choices. My question is…how do they?

10/26/2008 9:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I see no judgment in my statment. I did not say "you are", "you will" are anything of the sort. No judgement was passed. Sorry you feel judged.

I think politics will still be around. There is mention of nations and kings in the milinuem. Also another uprising of people against God when the Satan is relesed from the pit.

Make God happy maybe not but it sure wouldn't make Him mad. If they did it from their own heart of course it would be better.

Israel is following God's will today and is surely blessed because of it, and most of them are agnostic. So I say if you follow God's law it will be harder for the curse to come upon you.

Perfect in your sense no.

10/27/2008 2:44 PM  
Blogger Christian Democrat said...

Welcome, anonymous. Apologies for my awkwardness at our first meeting. Post as you like, please.

10/27/2008 2:56 PM  
Blogger Hannah84 said...

Oh goodness. I finally feel relieved to know that someone out there is a christian democrat. WOW!!! I love this. I have been thinking so much about this lately and how some of the republicans assume that just because I'm democrat that I share all of the democratic values. What they don't seem to understand is that God is a God of love and shares the love for "all." I consider myself a conservative democrat, for the simple fact that I still believe that marriage is for a man and woman, using abortion for birth-control is wrong, and that God should remain in our government. However, I refuse to impose these views on someone else who comes from a different walk of life than me. If anything it is so exciting to say that I am democrat who practices the Christian faith, for the simple fact that it leaves the door open for me to share my faith with someone in hopes of bringing them to Christ Jesus and witnessing, or just enlightening them about Christian faith in general, to clarify any false notions about Christianity. I believe that without christian support, the democratic party would not have as much support getting votes out, because it's mainly the african americans that make up most of the christian democrat votes (like myself). Although we shouldn't try to over power other beliefs within the democratic party, I still feel that we should do a better job and defining christian democrats (conservative democrats) and stand up for ourselves. There is such thing as chrisitan democrats, and NO it doesn't mean that we believe that abortion and gay marriage is right, we just accept people from all different places, all difference walks of life are welcome and can share their faith with people that are different.

10/30/2008 10:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't believe abortion, gay marriage, or taking God out of our country is right. We should just accept those people who do and let their ungodly values and opinions over power ours. Till we are just a small group of Christians in the world with little influence on it.

We should surely not try to overpower things peacefuly that are wrong or evil. The unrighteouss should be allowed to promote whatever they want and be in control.

As in China where you can be killed for being a Christian and spreading the Christian Faith.

We should not send people there to spread the gospel and get that country saved because they are different and don't believe the same way we do. Leave them in peace. As we leave those in peace who are for gay marriage, abortion, and removing God from our country.

They don't need anyone telling them there going to hell they can just find out when they get there.

10/31/2008 9:13 AM  
Blogger Christian Democrat said...

First, thanks to Hannah84, and welcome. You may want to check out Sojo.net.

Second - and this is the problem with people that post as "anonymous" - I don't know if you are the same anonymous from a couple comments up.

Anyway, I take it, anonymous, that you are being facetious? Very simply, this is my take on Christians in politics - those that try to use mans' law to bring God's law to the world don't realize that laws don't work, the Holy Spirit does. When God gave The Law, it failed, so He gave his Son and the Holy Spirit.

Spread the word of faith in God as the start of a conversation about salvation. Don't alienate people with concepts that they can't get past. Don't pass laws that cast others out.

10/31/2008 9:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes I was trying to be pleasant in my comment. But it holds water.

Since God's law failed doesn't that make Him a failure? If I make a buisness and allow it to go under do I not fail?

Is God's law still in effect?
And you say laws don't work should we do away with all laws then and allow th Holy Spirit to keep order in the earth. He is surely able, He does not need our help does He?

11/01/2008 8:11 AM  
Blogger Christian Democrat said...

Anonymous again -

You are correct to point out my mis-written point. God's law didn't fail, man did. God, in His love of us, gave us an opportunity to live in harmony with Him.

God works in ways mysterious to us. We are fools, truly, to try to understand His ways from our little point in time. But foolishly we carry on. I don't know that God's law is still in effect. I had some great mussels last night and didn't find them to be an abomination at all.

And no, I don't say laws don't work, I say God's law didn't work with us. Man's law does work pretty well. For most criminals the punishment in the here-and-now is of greater concern than the life ever after.

And yes, the Holy Spirit, which I'll give an "It" to rather than a "He," is surely able, but only if a person accepts It and seeks It on a regular basis.

Man's law has nothing to do with inviting any person into a relationship with God that would culminate with the Holy Spirit bringing a Christ-centered perspective to any person's life.

Faith cannot be legislated, it must be shared.

11/01/2008 9:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I will post as anonymous b/c I always forget my passwords/usernames and am tired of coming up with new ones to forget. So, my name is Kelly. Tonight I literally banged my head against the wall in frustration. Thanks for the peace you gave me through this blog. Tonight my own cousin said that I was not a Christian if I vote for Obama. My own cousin who knows of my faith and my service and love! During this election I have been told I will be contributing to the death of infants, will need to ask forgiveness, etc...
My temptation is to leave this "church" and let them be in their own blind ignorance. But, of course this will help no one. I am someone that becomes frustrated and can not stand ignorance. So, I am greatly struggling on how to even begin to open minds and show how it is my love and my faith that leads me to vote democratic. I am working on becoming more educated in both political statics and Bible verses. But, I think even with the information most have become so defensive it is doing no good.
Any suggestions? Where do I begin in the sheltered country town where our minister is more spiritually immature than most of the congregation?

Thanks for helping my feeling of isolation.

11/03/2008 8:29 PM  
Blogger Christian Democrat said...

Kelly -

You and people in your situation are the reason I wrote this blog. Thank you so much for finding it and your kind compliment.

Tonight was a pretty amazing Bible study for my mens group. We're just starting Acts and a new guy showed up, hadn't been to (Catholic) church since age 4, now somewhere in his 30s and feels called to get to know God a bit better. Some woman none of us knew had pointed him in our direction so there he was. We hope he comes back!

You are at a difficult time in your faith walk. Some of what you have been taught about mans' roll in God's creation you question. Much of the scripture makes sense to you in a way different than it's being preached perhaps, or only bits of it, but you see ... (sorry to say and perhaps I'm not quite right) hypocrisy when seeing how some people take the Word as compared to how they live, how they treat the least among us, and other things.

But you are called to what I like to call your own personal relationship with God. We study, we pray, we are drawn to be different. We're still broken, imperfect, frankly I'm pretty sure I don't have it all right, but I have it how it fits for me and it feels good. My prayer is that you may find this peace, your own understanding and relationship with God.

Churches are broken places. They're filled with sinners! All the frailties of man are there just as they are in the workplace, or school, or anywhere secular, they're just in the back seat as compared to a God-centered experience. In my church we have all political parties represented, probably more Republicans than Dems, and there is only one Republican I know there that I really care for as a person outside of the church. I'd help any that asked, of course, but I'd do that for anyone anywhere anyway. It's what we do. But yeah, the political divide runs deep.

It's nice to say that faith transcends politics but when dealing with petty people, and we can all be petty, it's difficult to get past significant differences in how we think our country should move. I'm going to try to leave politics out of the rest of this post just as they should be left out of Sunday's sermon but too often isn't.

I go to a Lutheran church. It's ELCA, Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, and is a pretty liberal denomination. Most of the GOP parishoners probably don't know that all the bishops of this denomination sent a letter to George W. Bush against the war in Iraq. We share alters and pulpits with the Episcopalian church (which I was raised in but left quickly after confirmation which meant nothing to me) but have issues with the Episcopal church in that whole gay marriage thing. It's a sticky point for many. Almost an aside, I'm told our seminaries have many gay men in them.

When I first joined this church we had an older senior pastor, close to retirement. He gave great fire and brimstone sermons. He preached against homosexuality along with all other sins. He retired. A few years later he came back for a guest sermon. He had learned his son was gay and had to figure out that God loved the gay man, too, just as He loves all in His creation. He broke down and cried on the pulpit. I don't know why I got into the whole gay thing here, but I'm just writing as it comes to mind really.

Finding a church in a small town can be difficult, but I value the community of church greatly. Beyond worship and the Sunday gathering the people that are the church should come together in groups and do things: study the Word, serve, teach, console and confide. We support each other and it's important that you find a church you are comfortable with.

I'd say go to your local Democratic party HQ and ask them to introduce you to some of their church-going members. You could also go to a couple of different churches and speak with the pastors privately. In all cases be candid, of course.

I hope to hear more from you as you make this journey. Please use the Name/URL and log in as Kelly, no password is needed and I'll know who I'm responding to.

May the peace of the Lord be with you always!

Rich

11/03/2008 10:29 PM  
Anonymous Amy N said...

Hi everyone, First of all, I'm so grateful to see a site where so many fellow Christians are Democrats. I don't know about you all, but I felt REALLY persecuted by fellow Christians for voting for Obama. I come from a family of Christian social workers and public school teachers and my question to the pro-lifers is: how could I NOT support a candidate who wants to help the children who make it out into the world in the worst of situations? Jesus said, "what you do to the poor, you do also to me." Also, since pro-life is the big "bait" the Republicans throw out to get the Christian vote - do people realize that 5 of the 7 SC Justices that voted in favor of Roe v. Wade were Republican? Also, GW Bush said he would not overturn Roe V Wade when he was campaigning in 2000 - does that sound very pro-life? How could I vote for a party that lies and manipulates Christians just to get their vote? Okay, I'll get off my soapbox now. I'm just sick and tired of being judged by fellow Christians for how I vote politically. I don't think the negative comments I've received from other Christians regarding who I vote for is showing God's love. I'm glad Obama won. Perhaps now we can end the killing in Iraq and help the poor, the young, the elderly... God bless you Rich for starting this! Amy in Indiana

12/07/2008 3:03 PM  
Blogger Christian Democrat said...

Amy in Indiana -

Welcome and thanks for your kind words. God does bless me but I could use a little more of late! ;>)

Perhaps I need to learn to be more thankful for what I have.

If you haven't already, read "God's Politics" by Jim Wallace. Great fodder for pointing out the frailties of both parties in not doing God's work.

Thanks to you, Amy, for being part of the change in Indiana.

12/07/2008 8:49 PM  
Anonymous Amy N said...

Thank you for the tip on the book Rich. I will check it out sometime. I will certainly share this site with my fellow Christian Democrats.

12/09/2008 4:56 PM  
Anonymous Yohko86 said...

Aw man! Cool! I'm so glad I listened to God's voice and typed in "Christian Democrats" in my search bar! Keep spreading the good word my friends! One day we'll have a bold, Christian Democrat in the White House! :D

GOD BLESS!!!!

2/13/2009 12:19 AM  
Blogger Christian Democrat said...

Sarcasm is the tool of those afraid to speak what they really want to say. Also, very juvenile if not used well.

As the above comment came in three weeks after President Obama's inauguration, I sense that both of the above thoughts may apply.

It's kinda funny. I wonder if those that come here to denigrate aren't like hardened soil seeking some rain.

But it's also kinda sad in that they often just throw mud on the wall.

Together, people, together let's make this a better world.

2/13/2009 8:33 AM  

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