Friday, August 21, 2009

The Letters I Get ...

This arrived today:

On Aug 21, 2009, at 2:10 PM, (e-dress deleted for Sandra's sake) wrote:

Christian means "follwower of Christ" and all that any religion knows of God or Christ comes from the bible which is translated from the original Greek and Hebrew texts.

In the bible God calls homosexuality an abomination.That means it is worse than other sin to Him.

He says that any man that shed innocent blood should himself killed although we are to do so by a legal process but still making abortion an attrocity punishable by death.
He also says that anyone that hurts a child (any age) would be better off to end his own life.

With these points made how can there possibly be a Christian Democrat?
It's an oxymoron.

Please let me say that I am not a Republican either,I realize there is another option than the two.I'm on God's side as all politicains are greedy liars.

My family has 5 lines to the Mayflower.Miles Standish,Alden,William White and Brewster were all God-fearing men that established this nation on Biblical principles.

If you read the words to the Pledge of Allegiance you see that this country was meant to be a Republic not a Democracy.

I sincerely cannot figure how you could associate with God and NAMBLA on the same planet and the ACLU, A Democratic proponent that represents these child molesters pro-bono and has worked tirelessly to rid God from the conscience of the public including our schools.

This is not written in anger,I'm just trying to understand.

Thank you,Sandra

My response:

Sandra -

You and I have a different sense of God. I believe we are all sinners, all sin is the same in the eyes of God, and all should be welcome to the table God offers.

If you are perfect, forgive me.

If you read the founding papers of this country you will find it was based on democracy. George Washington may have wanted to be king, but that title was not given to him. I frankly don't believe in the pledge of allegiance as I pledge only to God. I serve the communities of America and other countries on mission. It's God's world we inhabit.

The GOP is full of hypocrites. Liars. Thieves. Those that steal from the poor to fatten their own wastelines. The Dems are barely better, but their sense of providing for those in need I find more in keeping with the principals of Jesus.

I believe God's law is greater than man's law. I do not believe that any law can cause a person to behave in a manner different from that which their desires draw them. Only the Holy Spirit, working in and with them, can make a person realize that there is more to this world than that which we see, and that we are beholden to our Maker to live our lives accordingly. I have no issue with homosexuals, or lesbians for that matter, that remain in committed and loving relationships. Who am I to judge when I am guilty of other sins myself? But as I said, you may be perfect, so I can't see this from your position of honor.

With your kind comments about the oxymoronic nature of the concept "Christian Democrat" I urge you to watch this video:

You'll see your letter as a posting on my site. If you wish to converse further please do so there.

May the peace of the Lord be with us all,

Christian Democrat


Anonymous Sandra said...

and so she sends me this, via email. I'll post using her name and let her know this is the place to converse:

You and I agree politically excpet that I realize I have a choice outside of the two.
I am so far from sinless,In fact I may be the worst because I'm on the inside of this one and I've seen where I've been and what I've done but Christ is His infinite mercy would still have me.

You didn't share where you get your ideas about God as He says that faith come by hearing and hearing from the word of God.

Yes we are all sinners but not all have come to ackowledge that and that Jesus died to cleanse us but it requires us to fully submit and repent.That mean to do it no more.

You're less than pleasant but claim to be led by the Holy Spirit? My letter was not in anger but wonder as I know God though His word.You're seething rage bleeds through my screen,I'm guessing a bit more Democrat that Christian

Where else does one even get that there is a God,Christ or Hol Spirit.I'm really curious.
Oxymoron isn't an insult,it simply means the words counter each other.

If homosexuality and abortion continues the human race will cease to exist.

You didn't clarify your postion on abortion or the likes of the ACLU or NAMBLA but if your pro homoesexuality,do you feel a brotherhood to them that wish to destroy all that God had ordained.

Dont forget I'm not a republican but Bush is no worse than the rest.

I'm all for helping those in need but working where I do I see more than 95% off them getting our hard earned tax dollars in food stamps,medicaid.freehousing and now free cell phones.

The are three and four generations that ask folks in the grocery store to let their food stamp card pick up my grocerys so they can buy beer ciggarettes and lottery tickets.

I helped a 90 year old man today get a few extra things because he and his now disabled 93 year old wife were getting cans of 49 cent dog food to serve on day old bread.

They live on $700 pension every month that will not even cover her medication yet he has fought in two wars.
My husand and I with three kids live on one income and out of each $1100 check pay $380 in taxes. He also has served in the military and there will be nothing left when he retires.

My daughters 1st grade class of 24 had 20 hipanic and 2 blacks.Everyone of those hispanice kids is on welfare and of illegals yet they get free lunches while my kids now have to pay $2 for a corndog and now the schools are bleeding me dry to bring in Spanish speaking teachers.

Whose side are you on?

I find great comfort in knowing that God doesn't miss a thing ><>

8/21/2009 7:13 PM  
Blogger Christian Democrat said...

Sandra - where would you have me start? Did you watch the video?

I am angry, that was my most polite voice I have for people that think as far afield as I do, as much patience as I can muster. It is, however, my own fault. I started this blog and I will respond to most all comers.

I get my ideas about God from pretty regular attendance at a weekly Bible study, held by men mostly more conservative than myself, and I know I am a challenge to them sometimes. I speak with my pastors from time to time when bigger questions come up. I read the Bible on my own, too. Gosh, my Bible study has been in Acts for most of this year and we've still got 6 chapters to go. It is a great study.

I get my faith from an innate need that is nurtured by the Holy Spirit.

OK, you consider homosexuality an abomination, worse than sin. I'll reject the second premise first. There is nothing worse in God's eyes than sin. An abomination? Sounds like the word of man to me. Moses used the same word for eating shellfish - shrimp and the like. Jesus made that OK and no, I'm not saying Jesus said homosexuality was OK, but he never said a word against it.

What Jesus did say was, when drilled down to the core, there were two commandments and all else would be taken care of if we followed them: "Love God..." and "Love your neighbor."

I get along with that in a big way.

I pray that God gets along with me for getting along with that. My sense is He does but then we'll not know until the Big day ...

If you believe we are to sin no more, why do you still sin? Worse, why do you sin and think yourself forgiven but then accuse others of sin "worse" than yours? That, Sandra, is hypocrisy.

I am human. Saved by Christ. Human. The peace of the Lord leaves me at times. Times like this.

So. Having written and read that last paragraph I've taken a deep breath, considered what it means, and found a little peace. Good stuff.

Actually hit the wall of 4,096 character for a comment here (who knew?) so I'll split my response into two comments.

8/21/2009 8:02 PM  
Blogger Christian Democrat said...

continuing that comment -

You say "if homosexuality and abortion continue the human race will cease to exist." Ai yai yai, Sandra, do you think homosexuality is contagious? If every child were aborted who would abort the last pregnant woman?

Here's my thinking on abortion, by the way -

As for the NAMBLA, I had never heard of them before, had to go look it up and am sickened, of course. Why do you know about this junk? Why do you give it the time of day? There is no way the Democrats endorse that group although I would easily believe that Hannity and crowd have led you to believe so. You do watch a lot of Fox news, right?

Bush was worse than the rest. I'd rather have a president getting blow jobs in the oval office than one that lies to lead us into war, allows torture of prisoners which leads to torture of our soldiers when they are captured, and so much more to pin on that idiot.

I'll agree that the welfare system needs some serious reform. I'd like to see programs along the lines of the WPA, the CCC, and the like. Heck, pay them to clean up the neighborhood, staff a daycare center, better their own community.

And yes, those looking to trade food stamps for those things have issues - they are addicts. Either choose to preach to them or avoid them altogether.

As for being broke, believe me I know the story. People make choices, sometimes not so well. The price of foolishness is ...

... and I don't mean that nearly as harshly as it may be taken. It's a simple truth, tho, that those that make opportunities for themselves can achieve to moderate degree. The rich get richer, for sure, but almost anyone of good health can get a job, or two if needed, a small house can be kept clean and the kids can be kept fed.

I believe English should be our national language. Our schools should have classes that teach legal residents that don't speak English to speak English first. No math, no science, no nothing until you learn the language.

You cover much ground, Sandra. I'll end by saying this:

I'm on the side of we can do better than we have been doing and I am willing to work to help it be so.

8/21/2009 8:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The first 5 books are the Pentateuch and since they were written before the Law the apply to today.The Old Testament was written to the Jews under the Law before Jesus was born.The New Testament was written to the rest of us under the Grace of Christ.
You think God is a big fluffy marshamallow because of the book of Matthew where Jesus gave instruction about judging others TO THE PHARISEES!
Who were mired down in the same sins, commiting them day after day behind closed doors,persecuting others for the same thing.
I didn't say gay was an abominatin,God did.
Please read 1 Co.5 and 6 a very little know part of scripture that explains simply calling a hooker"a prostitute" is not judgement it'discenrnment which is wisdom given of God.
I have no power to punsih anyone of law or God and I'm not prostituing so I'm not judging.
And the comment about how would I even know about NAMBLA? You say that as if I'm a villian for even knowing they exist.I educate myself before an election and because I have children in this world.
They are funded by the Democratic campaign btw.
Your president said PUBLICLY he would abort his own grandhcildren and you really think Christ would vote Democrat?
I know God is not for either party NEITHER AM I!
I saw your YouTube videos and you cannot possibly be serious that that should make and Christ honoring hard working Amercian change their mind.
Democratic party took prayer out of public school.
We live in a world of Christian Democrats, Abortionist for Christ and a Homosexuals Bible,that is what the devil does.
Be ye angry,means God gave us these emotions but He says sin not and your wrath toward me for making publicly recorded factual statements about the ungodliest of the two parties really hurt.That is the work of the devil not Christ.
Many a serial killer has claimed that God told them to kill and it scares me that you not only pounce on me,who truly loves the LORD and has a voice for 30 years of slaughtered babies but you rallied with a bunch of rabid cyberbullies lying in wait for anyone that will stand.
The fact that you would even claim thatkid on Yourube with his sarcastic insulting tone is embarrassing,I have to wonder if you are him and God says those that hurt His will answer.
God says that satan is the God of this world and is you are truly saved you will not be happy here but you seem to fit right in.Jesus Himself said "Marvel not if the world hates you and know it hated me first..." You really need to read more than just the one chapter of scripture.
You claim I am believeing man for the word of God but all I believe come straight from the word of Good,I trust NO MAN especially a Democrat!
The fact that you guys have never heard of NAMBKLA yet you claim to be Democrats alomne tells me you didn't bother to study what your Democrats believe as NAMBLA is one of thier biggest allies.
Good luck explainig that to God.
I see your example here of what you perceive to be Christ's teaching on love thy neighbor-it makes it very clear what kind of "christians" you are.
You're worshipping Obama not Christ.I can only guess you get tax dollars to be so hostile as the love of oney id the root of all evil.
I feel very bad for the others in your study group.They definitely have their work cut out for them.
Please be very certain of where your small still voice is coming from,I don't think it is from a Holy God.
Good luck,your gonna need it...

8/22/2009 7:39 AM  
Anonymous Sandra said...

I sent the last one explaining what the books of the bible are.I didn't mean to send it annonymous but I had alot of difficulty sending it and tried everything.

I believe this country can do better also but giving 18 billion to auto giants that have been holding us captive with gas guzzling cars that keep us dependant on Saudi's was the biggest mistake ever!

That money could have paid off every middle class American's home but instead where in more debt than ever.
He has increased the deficit by 20% in 7 month,what do think we'll be like in another year?

The fact is,this was the only God-fearing country on the planet and now we've turned from God
and allowed every vile thing in His name.
I can see in my bible it is all a means to an end and my job is to uplift the name of Jesus to a lost and dying world until He comes back for me.
There will never be a perfect president as there is no perfect person and no one can please all the people all the time but at least elect a man that is not so offended by the image of a cross that the secret service has to go in and cover all the crosses with sheets before the president enters.
If you don't know about that either,please inform yourself about Obama's visit to Georgetown University.
I'm so tired of people calling him a Christian,you cannot hate the name of Jesus and be one of His.

I'm an anti politician God is going to judge this country as HE sees fit.I'm just making sure that I have stood firmly for Him and I'm not ashamed.

I am also reminded that God sets the kings up and HE takes them down and no president is exmempt as God is not mocked and He never loses.

8/22/2009 8:10 AM  
Blogger Christian Democrat said...

Sandra - I'm done. Barney Frank was right and that may hold true for both of us. I'm certain in my faith, you in yours. As I said, I'm done.

But $18 billion to pay off every middle class mortgage in America? Not even close.

For some reason you don't mention the amounts W. gave to Wall Street.

Must not be talked about on Fox.

May His peace be with us all.

8/22/2009 10:29 AM  
Blogger Lily said...

Hey Lady,
1) I am a Christian, a Democrat, Hispanic, a US Citizen since 2007 and have NEVER been on welfare plus I was NEVER illegal. Stereotyping and judging people does nothing but show ignorance and lack of empathy of the person doing the stereotyping.

Saying ALL politicians are greedy liars is also stereotyping and faulty logic at that.

2) I believe the role of government is not to force the God story on its citizens...their role is to create and environment where the God story can be freely lived and shared. The role of the church is not to tell us who to vote for, but to equip us to share the God story and to help us grow in our personal relationship with God so we can know God better.

3) Check out this short video and blog post that shows the huge gap that exists between people's perception of "Jesus" and their perception of "Christians."


How can we reach others for God with a judgmental holier-than-thou attitude?

3) JESUS HIMSELF said which were the two greatest commandments in Matthew 22:

36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'[a] 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[b] 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

4) I think being a Christian and so judgmental and self-righteous towards others is the true oxymoron. And I quote: "Oxymoron isn't an insult,it simply means the words counter each other."

5)Ephesians 4:1-16 (New Living Translation)
1 Therefore I, a prisoner for serving the Lord, beg you to lead a life worthy of your calling, for you have been called by God. 2 Always be humble and gentle. Be patient with each other, making allowance for each other’s faults because of your love. 3 Make every effort to keep yourselves united in the Spirit, binding yourselves together with peace. 4 For there is one body and one Spirit, just as you have been called to one glorious hope for the future. 5 There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 and one God and Father, who is over all and in all and living through all.

Thanks for your blog Mr. Christian Democrat, for your ministry. I greatly enjoy it. I don't mean to re-start this debate cause it seems pointless but I did want to state my opinion and support for your blog.

God bless,

A Fellow Christian Democrat

8/27/2009 8:15 PM  
Blogger Christian Democrat said...

Thanks, Lily -
It's nice to know people are reading and sharing my thoughts. Your personal example makes your post all the more valid.

8/28/2009 10:12 AM  
Blogger Lily said...

You are welcome Mr. Christian Democrat. :-)

PS: I noticed yesterday evening, after my comment, that the short video and blog post that shows the huge gap that exists between people's perception of "Jesus" and their perception of "Christians."

is also part of a podcast by Pastor Scott Hodge in Chicago. I listened to the podcast this morning and it was great!!!! It was part of a series called:

"Confessions of a blue jean wearin', Starbucks addicted pastor: I don't like [MOST] Christians"

It is very, very powerful. Definitely worth the listen. Here is the link to the podcast:

Once on this page, you can click on 05.06.07Confessions_ChristFollower.mp3

Hope you like it :-)

Well, gotta go. Have a good weekend.

God bless,

Fellow Christian Democrat

8/28/2009 3:34 PM  

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